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$3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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if bitcoin constitutes an insignificant portion of their activities, why would they oppose such a term?

One of their largest industries (up there with tourism) is remittance processing (mostly for out of the US) denominated in US dollars. Most of their local economy operates on US dolar too, which means accepting Bitcoin everywhere offers some significant advantages: 1. Not being beholden to the whims of American banks and the American government 2. Less administrative overhead would mean being able to offer more compe…

> One of their largest industries (up there with tourism) is remittance processing

What percentage of El Salvador's GDP does remittance processing represent?

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Burning Luna (which can be created out of thin air) and burning USD/Bitcoin are entirely different things.

The point is that UST had significant rallies- that indicates a massive effort to support it that failed.

How do you know it doesn't amount to 1B? Or 500MM? Or 250MM? Unless there is transparency all of these is speculation, and since it is all depositor's monies, we should assume the worse until it's been proven otherwise.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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If a majority of the miner pool decides to make a change the change is made. That's how decentralized concensus works right?

Well, not quite. If a majority of miners fork their clients away from the bitcoin code repo by removing the coin cap, they would be creating a "new bitcoin". If the inter-subjective consensus of users also decide to use this new bitcoin it will be the defacto. Otherwise it will just be another fork (call it Bitcoin NoCap) like bitcoin cash, bitcoin diamond, bitcoin gold, etc. The original "bitcoin" network (before th…

It does seem to me that bitcoin holders are highly impressionable by a small number of influencers. They could easily be convinced of anything.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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1) why are you comparing to credit cards? The average ACH transfer costs zero dollars. 2) why did you pick $100 as your basis? If I try to buy a $5 sandwich in Bitcoin and have to pay 20% transaction fee that is not a good platform for transactions. I like some parts of crypto, but transaction fees on most coins right now are not one of those parts.

> 1) why are you comparing to credit cards? The average ACH transfer costs zero dollars. As far as I understand ACH doesn't work globally > 2) why did you pick $100 as your basis? If I try to buy a $5 sandwich in Bitcoin and have to pay 20% transaction fee that is not a good platform for transactions. Or use lightning and pay a fraction of a cent transaction fee

Ahh, Lightning. The network that is simultaneously "here and available and usable, right now" when convenient, and "still a few years away", when that argument is convenient.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Please explain the mechanism by which a "bank" is able to transfer to you an amount of BTC that they do not have wallet control over? This is a critical difference. A bank can loan you fiat money that they do not physically have, with the almost always correct assumption that most people won't want to convert that database entry into cash at the same time. This is not possible with bitcoin. Either the bank has the co…

> Please explain the mechanism by which a "bank" is able to transfer to you an amount of BTC that they do not have wallet control over? BTC that's in an offline wallet is like cash under the bed; and you're right that no-one is lending money that they have under the bed. However, a significant number of BTC owners don't keep their money in their own wallets - they keep it at an exchange, which almost certainly commin…

That still is not the same thing. Coins in an exchange can only be traded for other coins in the same exchange - it's effectively KrakenBTC or BinanceBTC or [...]. Unlike fiat money in a bank, these exchange balances exist only in their walled gardens and cannot be exchanged for goods or services, effectively decoupling them from the total supply.

The total supply of bitcoin is the sum of all unspent transaction outputs on the Blockchain. Not what a bunch of exchanges tell their users they have.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Any company whose business plan for repaying early investors consists of bilking later investors, while producing nothing isn't going to get to IPO. But you are right, this sort of thing is incredibly common in the ICO world.

If the value of Uber went to zero overnight, would that be a Ponzi? People put money into it, and that money was used to subsidize user rides. If it went to zero, then all those investors would have nothing to show for their investment...

Uber has a multi-billion dollar business selling taxi rides.

They may not be running that business well, but it's a business. They have a roadmap for turning those rides profitable, that they may or may not be able to execute on. If you invest in their business, you have the ability to steer it, by using your shares to vote.

The fact that they produce something is the difference between it and a ponzi.

The tera business model was 'sell tokens to people who want to get in on the 20% yield, and pay the yield with the profits of these sales.' And also skim 3 billion for the founder. It's completely circular.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Both can be true

That's not the point here. It's behaviorist. Prices stay changed because the beliefs change. If people had thought this was a sane and reasonable move that didn't really affect things the price would quickly return despite the quantity increasing. The believed durability of the token changed No matter what strategy is to be used to try to repeg it, it will only work if there's faith in the price. Price isn't a thing…

Price is the expected resale value of a good or service

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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A better argument might be fiat currency is stable because governments hold a monopoly on violence. But governments can be poorly run so I suppose “stable” is not the right word.

An ad-hoc system of local warlords who take power isn't more stable, even with a blockchain.

What people refuse to believe is that a currency is actually a reflection of the real world. Yes there is some filtering going on and time lags can be huge but any well managed currency is only going to perform as well as the real economy.

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Luna crashed because people lost trust in it. The only reason people have trust in BTC is because other people have trust in it. If that ever changed, there is no actual use for a BTC, and they are thus intrinsically worthless. Fiat currency has the backing of a government. The government demands certain payments of this currency in order to own land, and also for some extra rights like mineral extraction, fishing li…

Fiat currency does not actually have the backing of a government. What could the UK do when the pound peg broke? Nothing but lose enormous amounts of money trying to hold it.

Well pegs are stupid ideas. Just let the interest rate "float" into the negative range. That way your currency will remain stable while every other country inflated their currency to represent the same negative yield.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Luna crashed because people lost trust in it. The only reason people have trust in BTC is because other people have trust in it. If that ever changed, there is no actual use for a BTC, and they are thus intrinsically worthless. Fiat currency has the backing of a government. The government demands certain payments of this currency in order to own land, and also for some extra rights like mineral extraction, fishing li…

To be perfectly clear, you're claiming with a straight face that government issued currencies are stable because there will always be a buyer who needs to pay taxes? Any reasonable definition of stability precludes hyperinflation, we agree on that right?

Yes it would preclude hyperinflation. Of course, now we should ask ourselves what kind of situation results in the government having to spend more money into the economy than it is receiving back. Oh right, by not taxing those who have money. Money that doesn't circulate doesn't pay taxes. If you keep money in your bank account forever that money will never be taxed, the government will never see that money again. It must run a deficit, not because it is stupid, it must run a deficit because it is actively subsidizing an influential part of the economy and any refusal to pay the subsidy is harshly rejected not just by the rich but also by the poor.

The fact that inflation is the escape hatch for loss aversion psychology tells you that everyone on this planet is actively choosing for there to be inflation or even hyperinflation instead of a negative interest rate.

People will argue how immoral it is for a bank to tell you that your physical capital is slowly depreciating and thus even a 0% interest rate would be too high to offer to you. No, that would violate the principle of private property, private property of coupons that represent the time of other people, who are slowly aging and paying opportunity costs. People think they deserve to own the time of other people as if they were cattle or slaves. After all, their freedom to not be a debt slave violates your right to private property which is a far more pressing matter, after all the psychological bias of loss aversion justifies any hideous act (note how I didn't refer to immoral acts, as many hideous acts are considered moral).

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