I don't mean to dismiss your ADHD (and I'm not), but all of the items you listed impact just about everyone and pretty much in the same way. It's the difference between greenfield and something someone else wrote. Keeping track of all of the details in a large system is hard, and most of it is boring. And just about anyone who has a real interest in the field would like to work on something interesting; when the inte…
Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?
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#42I had to quit Adderall, it made me an awful dad and husband too anxious to do anything other than work and I was only able to work on specific things. I was never able to focus generally on any particular thing with it. I’m on Strattera but it’s only 10 days in and it takes several weeks to kick in. I go to the coffee shop and do 3 15-minute Pomodoros every morning. The combination of being at a dedicated place, limi…
Thanks to the farm bill, you can look into using cbd gummies to offset the anxiety from dopamine agonists and sdris like adderol/Concerta respectively at a very small iq cost. Find a DO since they are more open to alternative medicine.
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#43I don't have anything to contribute, but the fact that you are in a senior position of an important project is good news to hear. I have been anxious for some time that my horrible working memory and executive function are going to stunt my career growth unless I start snorting lines of adderall, which I don't want to do.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks to the farm bill, you can look into using cbd gummies to offset the anxiety from dopamine agonists and sdris like adderol/Concerta respectively at a very small iq cost. Find a DO since they are more open to alternative medicine.
I appreciate the tip but CBD didn't do anything for my anxiety. I tried several formulations including some with THC.
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#45I suffer from ADHD. I'm not sure my advice is a good fit for your specific situation, but these are some things that I think are helpful. 1. Get your health/medication on point. Find out what medication works for your and take it consistently. You can't afford to lose out on the extra executive function good medication can give you. 2. Accept your ADHD. Flagellating yourself for missed deadlines, forgotten tasks, pro…
Knowing certain ‘triggers’ can help you prevent distractions. For me simply the realisation was enough to improve it.
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#46I don't mean to dismiss your ADHD (and I'm not), but all of the items you listed impact just about everyone and pretty much in the same way. It's the difference between greenfield and something someone else wrote. Keeping track of all of the details in a large system is hard, and most of it is boring. And just about anyone who has a real interest in the field would like to work on something interesting; when the inte…
I intentionally framed the problems I'm tackling in a way that resonates with a wide spectrum of people, so that I can get a variety of answers and work with anything that resonates well with me. In this process, I guess I didn't press hard on how debilitating executive dysfunction has been for my work (and life in general - story for another time) and I apologize for my assumption but I guess since you're neurotypic…
This doesn't make any sense to me, especially in light of your traffic analogy. I have ADHD as well and getting medicated has been probably one of the most impactful things that I've ever done for myself. I'm very curious: why would you want to avoid something that's so helpful?
> This post is an attempt to learn more of these structures and hopefully with enough practice, I'll become efficient in utilizing these structures so much so that it requires less effort and latency to maintain and execute them on a daily basis.
Structure and process only go so far if your brain chemistry is fighting you. If you want to lose weight, diet AND exercise is the solution. If you want to regain executive function, IMO, medication AND processes are the way.
To answer your original question: most of the processes that I have are based on distrust of my brain. Therefore, most of my processes for getting things done rely on getting things out of my head (a la GTD, but without so much accounting). Things and Obsidian represent the bulk of my toolset. In particular: I have a pretty specific workflow for capturing stuff that I want to read later + a template that results in a lot of notes being taken from any given source material. In order for an article (or whatever) to get into my system, it has to be worth the effort to fill out the template + take lots of notes. That's been a good filter for me because my previous tendencies were to read ALL the things. I process my email and Things inboxes as often as needed, but at a minimum, once per week. Getting to Inbox Zero once per week is a necessity for me or I start having anxiety about the stuff that's in my inbox that I might have forgotten about. For email, I unsubscribe from as much as possible, delete the bulk mail stuff, archive things that I'm directly involved in, and capture any tasks in my Things inbox.
Then, Inbox Zero in Things is simply making sure that each task is actionable and has relevant context ("Fix issue #1234", "call so and so at xxx-xxx-xxxx to talk about xyz", etc) and then sorting it into the appropriate area of responsibility and/or project. I don't do anything with tags or anything like that. Once per week, I go through all of my Things lists and make sure that everything in there is still relevant (and delete what isn't), assign a "When" value for things that I'd like to do this week on some particular day, and assign a "Deadline" value for things that ABSOLUTELY MUST get done this week. If I have to reschedule the nice to haves, it's not a big deal.
> It becomes exponentially tougher for me once it goes beyond 2 work items.
Don't take on more than two work items at a time. If there are more, they go in a queue. You can't be actively working on more than one or two at a time anyway.
> it becomes overwhelmingly difficult to focus on my subproject without trying to understand everything it touches upon.
So don't do that. Embrace selective ignorance. Learn what you need to learn when you need to learn it and no sooner.
> There are new terms, new things very slightly unrelated to my smaller project at hand that I don't know no matter how much I learn.
Ask about these and write them down somewhere. If someone is using a term that you're unfamiliar with, politely interrupt them and ask for clarification so that the conversation is valuable to you. Start a wiki page or a gist or whatever that just lists the terms that are relevant in your organization.
> Once I get started on any task, it takes a while for me to get going, and even after finishing it up, it takes a while to start on another task as well.
This is executive dysfunction. Medication helps here.
> But when the project involves interacting with multiple stakeholders in an async manner, it gets split into tens of small units requiring immense willpower to start and stop.
Schedule a recurring check-in with these stakeholders and hold all business until the check-in. Recurring meetings suck, but you have to communicate, so you might as well consolidate all of the communication into a timeslot that works for you. Social pressure (in this case, to join a meeting and use the time productively) can be a great tool to use. You can do this with programming too: pair program with somebody (especially if you know of another person on your team who has ADHD -- you can help each other by creating social pressure to perform).
> This problem is easily avoidable at junior/mid level engineer, but at senior level these are prerequisite rather than a choice.
This is not necessarily true. There are many organizations where stakeholder coordination can be handled by somebody who isn't expected to be writing code.
> But at senior level and above, most if not all software companies require work that's less research/depth in nature and more planning/organizing/breadth in nature.
This is also not necessarily true. There are organizations where senior engineer != junior management.
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#48I assume you will get a lot of helpful tips here, and I too have successfully managed to cope for almost 30 years, but I have to honestly admit that getting on medication was the best thing that has ever happened to me. There is only so much you can do to alleviate a chemical imbalance. My life has never been the same since I got on it. The first few days I had to cry a lot, it was so incredibly beautiful and liberat…
I am just starting to look for treatment. If you don't mind sharing, which medication works best for you?
Vyvanse, helped but my depression often cancelled out the med, and SSRIs didn't help at all just made me have erectile issues which really didn't help my depression.
I brought up Wellbutrin with my doctor after reading about others with ADHD being successful with it...
I found out I had ADHD 4 years ago when I was 38, I'm almost certain I also have autism, as 3 people with ASD have flat out told me I did, and they listed a bunch of reasons and I passed a few online tests...I also over share a lot as you can see from this post.
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#49- I'd recommend anyone to do this (using the same app or another one), but I use Obsidian.md for notes. I'll create a page for each Jira ticket that I'm working on, where I'll include personal notes about things I've noticed (e.g. "When passing in this object I get X result") as well as Q's that I have and any answers that I've been given.
- I use the LeechBlock extension to block certain websites between certain times of the day, including HackerNews and LinkedIn (the latter is a huge rabbit hole for me). Link: https://www.proginosko.com/leechblock/
- I've got noise-cancelling headphones. There's a lot of sirens and honking horns outside of my place and they do a great job at blocking those things.
- If I'm really distracted, I'll move my phone to the other side of the room so it's out of sight.
- I started seeing a psychiatrist in late-January and started taking Vyvanse as a result. At first (lower dosages) I didn't notice a lot of differences, but there was one day to where I didn't take Vyvanse---I was on 40mg and went to pick up my prescription the next day. I was shocked at how much harder it was for me to focus and get stuff done. I asked myself, "Is this what it was like pre-Vyvanse?" Out of all of the items on this list, starting on Vyvanse was probably the most effective thing.
- I got a standing desk a month ago and stand during meetings. Not only is it a bit easier for me to focus, but I'm also getting my money's worth :)
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am just starting to look for treatment. If you don't mind sharing, which medication works best for you?
I'm also on Vyvanse, 60mg in the morning and 100mg of Wellbutrin which is an anti depressant, that targets the same brain chemicals as Vyvanse. Vyvanse, helped but my depression often cancelled out the med, and SSRIs didn't help at all just made me have erectile issues which really didn't help my depression. I brought up Wellbutrin with my doctor after reading about others with ADHD being successful with it... I foun…
I am quite surprised to be honest that you are taking Wellbutrin and Vyvanse at the same time. While not dangerous in terms of possible serotonin syndrome, this combination is a little bit concerning as Wellbutrin can raise the blood levels of amphetamines and lower seizure threshold.