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Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

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> and pretty much in the same way This is the dismissive part. It doesn’t even affect those of us with ADHD the same way, or even affect us each individually the same way every day. At my best, I’ve been pretty consistently praised for being good at keeping track of how everything fits together and all of the details that should be considered for a given effort. At my worst, I know there’s a short list of things whic…

I honestly didn't mean to come across as dismissive. Taking the OPs words exactly as they were written, I only meant to say that generally speaking, those responses are all quite expected, independent of any diagnosis. Having ADHD could of course make each of those bullet points much worse! But as the post was written, it seemed like textbook dissatisfaction that all of us experience when placed in a role that isn't…

I hope my response helps you understand why those things which seem universal aren’t necessarily universal for us. A lot of times we’re just disappointed with ourselves because we’re not experiencing the thing the way “everyone” does, and can’t find a way to that feeling everyone else expects.

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

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I was diagnosed with somewhat severe ADHD, hyperactive and attention subtype. I have few tips to share: 1. Find your medication. After I found mine with the correct dosage, my life improved ten fold. Our dopamine system is wired differently and medication is the basis of treatment to cope with it. 2. Externalize everything: thoughts, events, planning, even your life’s values if you feel like it. Write it all down and…

This could not more perfectly reflect my experience had I written it myself. I was diagnosed with (also quite severe) ADHD recently, and it seems it was a surprise to literally no one but me. A solid third of the people I've discussed it with had assumed I knew and just wasn't well treated. Even though it's number 1, I do want to emphasize it for those who are reluctant. Finding an effective medication has been one o…

Exactly! My doctor made an analogy of taking meds with wearing glasses for sight correction: you don’t need to use it at all times, but if you do want to see properly then you do need them.

Out of curiosity: may I ask which medication are you using?

Most days I’m taking Concerta 54mg topping up with the short release (Ritalin) as needed. I never needed to try Adderall or Vyvanse as that combo worked so nicely for me. Some days I want to have finer control and just use the short release.

I cried throughout my first weeks on meds. Finally understanding how calm most people experience their brains was life changing. :)

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

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I don't mean to dismiss your ADHD (and I'm not), but all of the items you listed impact just about everyone and pretty much in the same way. It's the difference between greenfield and something someone else wrote. Keeping track of all of the details in a large system is hard, and most of it is boring. And just about anyone who has a real interest in the field would like to work on something interesting; when the inte…

I intentionally framed the problems I'm tackling in a way that resonates with a wide spectrum of people, so that I can get a variety of answers and work with anything that resonates well with me. In this process, I guess I didn't press hard on how debilitating executive dysfunction has been for my work (and life in general - story for another time) and I apologize for my assumption but I guess since you're neurotypical there's no way I can actually make you really understand the difference between the amount of energy and willpower required to execute on these tasks/planning/etc. I am formally diagnosed and have been on medicines in the past and the productivity difference and confidence in my abilities with and without medicines is day and night.

To provide a similar real world analogy that has potential to resonate with you: on medicines that work well with me, my core thoughts works as if a car is being driven on a freeway with properly defined rules and regulations, along with lots of other cars following the same rules. Without those medications, it's basically free for all, where there are absolutely no rules and regulations and anyone can drive anyway on that freeway. Sure, there's still a chance that every car reaches its destination safe and sound, but the amount of mental gymnastics needed at every point of time without those inbuilt rules in place is staggeringly exhausting.

This has been my life at work every day, because I have consciously kept myself away from medication for a variety of reasons. This post is an attempt to learn more of these structures and hopefully with enough practice, I'll become efficient in utilizing these structures so much so that it requires less effort and latency to maintain and execute them on a daily basis.

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

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I assume you will get a lot of helpful tips here, and I too have successfully managed to cope for almost 30 years, but I have to honestly admit that getting on medication was the best thing that has ever happened to me. There is only so much you can do to alleviate a chemical imbalance. My life has never been the same since I got on it. The first few days I had to cry a lot, it was so incredibly beautiful and liberat…

I am just starting to look for treatment. If you don't mind sharing, which medication works best for you?

20mg Vyvanse at 8am + 20mg at 1pm is the bee's knees for me, lasts until 7pm, not too strong, pretty much no side effects and doesn't disrupt my sleep. In fact, the PM naps when I'm on it and sleep deprived are godly.

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

#35
post #6

I assume you will get a lot of helpful tips here, and I too have successfully managed to cope for almost 30 years, but I have to honestly admit that getting on medication was the best thing that has ever happened to me. There is only so much you can do to alleviate a chemical imbalance. My life has never been the same since I got on it. The first few days I had to cry a lot, it was so incredibly beautiful and liberat…

Hear, hear. I tried to make it work without medication - to be honest I didn't even know I had ADHD - and all that resulted was complete burnout, depression and self loathing at being unable to accomplish more. I had just enough energy to pull through the working day and not much else.

The medication has freed me. It has removed the ball and chain from my brain. It has saved my career and is pulling me out of a lifetime of coping mechanisms.

Now I just need a notepad and a TODO list, which I use religiously to keep track of everything. Previously todo lists were a fad for me that I wasn't able to keep up with for more than a week.

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

#36
In my experience perfectionism is one of the meta-stories we use to explain to ourselves why we have trouble executing. When starting things is hard, spending more time on what you are already doing is easier and feels productive. When starting things is hard, learning about all the related sub-projects feels productive and creates a powerful dopamine hit of new information.

I find what works best with the poor time horizon stuff is to spend a bit of time regularly looking at and planning the big picture on a calendar or paper, but then spend the bulk of your time chiselling away at the plan. Forget weeks and months, just worry about today and the next half hour. Break every task down until you can face the starting action. GTD was right about not knowing what to do next will stop you in your tracks. So will not being able to face what you have to do next.

During my most productive stretches I use a combo of digital and physical. There might be an intimidating list of todos in my browser, but my working hours are limited.

I break my day down into 30 minute (25 work/5 break) pomodoros. I string several together if I need a longer block. In the morning I transcribe what I want/need to work on onto enough cards to fill all the blocks for my day. Some things get split across multiple cards. Some cards get multiple items. This process gives me a good grasp of what is in store for the day, which helps minimise perseveration.

Then I arrange them to avoid boredom. Place the hard stuff first for when I'm fresh. Interleave projects because switching between projects keeps me interested. Maybe shuffle some for the surprise factor. Sometimes I also have cards for the breaks. Those I shuffle, again for the surprise factor. Hey! It's snack time! Again! Unless there's something I really don't want to do, then I'll have a doom scrolling break waiting for when it's done. Having a dual digital timer (a physical device) makes sticking to this easier.

If I can't face a card, I move onto the next one. If I reach the end and still can't face it, I try and work out why. Too hard? Too dull? Too confusing? Maybe I switch up the pomodoro and do 5 minutes on it and have a 25 minute break. ¯\_(°ペ)_/¯

The most important thing is making as much of your routine as you can a habit without allowing it to turn invisible. Making it physical helps, but isn't foolproof. Nothing is. We can learn to ignore anything except that we feel bad for ignoring things. Once you can ignore it, you have to start all over again with a new approach. You can delay the inevitable derail by making it as easy and as enjoyable as possible. You do that by making space for as many reliable dopamine hits as you can.

I haven't been able to work on ritalin or adderall. I'm on guanfacine (Intuniv), which takes the edge off the concomitant emotional issues, especially the performance-related anxiety we can accumulate over the years, while being psychically transparent. Unlike ritalin and adderall.

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

#38
Get a galaxy note based smartphone--you need to get notes and have something you will always have with you to get task notes to feed into your system. Star items that are action items for you. Get a smart watch. The only feature you require here is for it to buzz. You will turn your phone on silent for meetings and miss your task tracking cues so the watch will fix that. Get a private Kanban board and share that with your task lead. Use jira or the like to track your team/reports status. Get access to your project plan. You are trying to create a sense of urgency externally since your prefrontal cortex isn't maintaining task salience/has time blindness. Make sure to get buy in from your task lead. If you have issues with this, request it as a reasonable accommodation, assuming you live in a country that protects disability rights. Set frequent alarms. Set aside time cued by these alarms to a) review your task notes and cross their stars off when you complete or get them into a tracking system. b) review your tracking systems to remind yourself of all the work you/your team must complete. Get a neurologist or your family doctor to prescribe a stimulant style medicine if you can tolerate it first, then look at other options. You need dopamine going to your prefrontal cortex to maintain task salience first and foremost. Your tools and processes are externalizing your executive function. No joke, watch all of Barkley's vids. I have successfully lead teams of up to 20 and teams of teams with these accomodations. They also help with IC tasks to keep me on track for heads down, help the team time.

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

#39

Get a galaxy note based smartphone--you need to get notes and have something you will always have with you to get task notes to feed into your system. Star items that are action items for you. Get a smart watch. The only feature you require here is for it to buzz. You will turn your phone on silent for meetings and miss your task tracking cues so the watch will fix that. Get a private Kanban board and share that with…

Also, conserve your executive function by taking life short cuts. Let go of trying to help the environment and use paper plates, plastic cups, and forks--it sucks, but you need this buffer. Prepared food are your friend.. Use melatonin to get regular scheduled sleep. Limit your pets to low maintenance like cats/fish if you can. Pay as many of your bills automatically, if you can. Set up your medicine/supplement stack at the beginning of the week with those tiny dollar store plastic tupperware containers,2x1x1 ish inches. All day brain focus has a couple of good supplements like phosphatidlserine/choline and dmae. Look into racetams if you can find them. Make sure you are getting enough b12 and d3. Look at patches, Creams. or shots if you don't absorb b12 well. Your doctor can help with everything except some nootropics unless you live in a country where racetams are prescription--in which case I envy you.

Re: Ask HN: Senior Engineers with ADHD, any mental/physical structures for work?

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post #7

I had to quit Adderall, it made me an awful dad and husband too anxious to do anything other than work and I was only able to work on specific things. I was never able to focus generally on any particular thing with it. I’m on Strattera but it’s only 10 days in and it takes several weeks to kick in. I go to the coffee shop and do 3 15-minute Pomodoros every morning. The combination of being at a dedicated place, limi…

Thanks to the farm bill, you can look into using cbd gummies to offset the anxiety from dopamine agonists and sdris like adderol/Concerta respectively at a very small iq cost. Find a DO since they are more open to alternative medicine.
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