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Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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Or less than a junior L3 in the bay area at google.

And what does that salary get you in the bay area? Living in a tiny apartment with a homeless guy outside. No thanks.

Toronto and Vancouver has basically the equivalent priced real estate as the Bay Area.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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Are they going to pay enough for their developers to actually live near this Bay St office? Canadian developer salaries are abysmally low.

Yea I’m surprised how little Microsoft pays in Vancouver according to levels.fyi. If an American company paid 80% of American salary to Canadians they would have their pick of Canada’s top talent. This slowly appears to be happening with Meta jobs in Canada. Canada has the same time zones, a similar culture, is geographically close, the same language, and excellent computer science/engineering programs. What Canada d…

>What Canada doesn’t have is a strong venture capital pool, a culture of risk taking, or a domestic market of 330 million people which stifles new businesses.

Replace Canada with EU and it's the same.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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> What Canada doesn’t have is a strong venture capital pool, a culture of risk taking I tried to raise a ~$300k seed round in Toronto in 2014. Most Canadian investors we met with wanted to see us have something like $10k/month in recurring revenue before considering an investment. We spent a week in SF and left with a $250k offer at a $4M valuation, when we were pre-revenue! (We declined, and eventually our business…

I haven’t seen any other country that tries new things and willing to spent than the US. That includes Europe and Asia. It’s quite disappointing really because the world is so much bigger than the US alone.

>I haven’t seen any other country that tries new things and willing to spent than the US

The US owns the money printer to the world trade currency (USD), and has the military force to defend this unique position, so of course it can afford to outspend everyone else.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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'Bout f'n time! They've been dining on Waterloo grads for just about ever now. Waterloo is possibly the best CS school in the world, but we keep ignoring it. (Or talking about Hamilton or Toronto or whatever and not that obvious gem in the crown.) This, too, is hilariously Canadian.

What's so great about Waterloo? It is nowhere near Standard/Caltech/MIT in competition. The quality of students is also just above mediocre given the smaller talent pool of that exists in Canada.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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I haven’t seen any other country that tries new things and willing to spent than the US. That includes Europe and Asia. It’s quite disappointing really because the world is so much bigger than the US alone.

>I haven’t seen any other country that tries new things and willing to spent than the US The US owns the money printer to the world trade currency (USD), and has the military force to defend this unique position, so of course it can afford to outspend everyone else.

That may be relevant to the US government, but the investors that would invest in startups don't have access to that printer.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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Are they going to pay enough for their developers to actually live near this Bay St office? Canadian developer salaries are abysmally low.

When I worked for a big US company it was very clear- you open an office in Canada because it’s cheaper. So, probably not.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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>I haven’t seen any other country that tries new things and willing to spent than the US The US owns the money printer to the world trade currency (USD), and has the military force to defend this unique position, so of course it can afford to outspend everyone else.

That may be relevant to the US government, but the investors that would invest in startups don't have access to that printer.

VC firms, investment banks, etc. are all suckling from the same FED teat, and all this cash trickles down into the US tech sector/start-up scene.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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> "Well, not seeing too many here in Africa either." Microsoft has recently opened a development center in Kenya.

Is it just support? Do they do dev?

Actual engineering work https://news.microsoft.com/en-xm/features/furthering-our-inv...

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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So is there an actual picture of the building and workspaces? I was hoping to see what a modern office looks like according to Microsoft.

It is not in the TD Center, its at CIBC Square. Been there for 3 days early April, it’s a really nice office, with lots of space. Views are great too, you can see all over the city and lake.

Pics of inside at https://www.blogto.com/tech/2022/05/microsoft-new-headquarte... it doesn’t show too many of the meeting rooms and work areas though :( it is open plan, well lit, well furnished. Mirrors other recent MSFT offices.

Re: Microsoft Opens New HQ in Toronto

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Yea I’m surprised how little Microsoft pays in Vancouver according to levels.fyi. If an American company paid 80% of American salary to Canadians they would have their pick of Canada’s top talent. This slowly appears to be happening with Meta jobs in Canada. Canada has the same time zones, a similar culture, is geographically close, the same language, and excellent computer science/engineering programs. What Canada d…

> What Canada doesn’t have is a strong venture capital pool, a culture of risk taking I tried to raise a ~$300k seed round in Toronto in 2014. Most Canadian investors we met with wanted to see us have something like $10k/month in recurring revenue before considering an investment. We spent a week in SF and left with a $250k offer at a $4M valuation, when we were pre-revenue! (We declined, and eventually our business…

No kidding

The Canadian risk/reward curve is weird. They won't look at anything barely promising but will go "all in" once it hits a bit of traction (even if the business model is wonky)

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