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Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by randomsearch »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

Some people speculate whether the rise of SaaS is a response to FOSS, which made it difficult to monetise software development. I’ve certainly begun to question my previous automatic assumption that FOSS is a good thing in the long term.

The good news for FOSS is that hosting costs just keep getting cheaper, so providing free SaaS is increasingly feasible.

There’s also the “third way” of FOSS with a hosted option available. Wordpress is a good example of that. If deploying such projects on the cloud eventually becomes trivial, then you could imagine a FOSS desktop in the future might have a cloud component (or be entirely remotely hosted). That might sound odd, but consider you still need to buy hardware to run your FOSS on, so renting that hardware instead isn’t a great leap.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by thefz »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

> The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online

I think the opposite will eventually be true, a browser is no space for complex documents.

> Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people want to IM a link and just have it reflect the latest version rather than attaching files back and forth.

O365 has worked like this for years and it works well.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by gombosg »

rhizome wrote: post #110
warning26 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Word 97 was amazing and leagues beyond LibreOffice, IMO. The best part is that the entire installed size of word 97 is like 50mb!

Wonder how it works in Wine.

Perfectly, according to test results! :P https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI...

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by hutzlibu »

hollasch wrote: post #58

I will be very happy if one day I open up Inkscape and I'm not presented with a virtual sheet of paper as my starting point. I find it extraordinarily off putting to have to pretend I'm going to print out the end result.

I know what you mean, but just think of the page as the screen. (Set it to horizontal layout, or increase the size a lot)

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by cycomanic »

jeppester wrote: post #125

As a mostly web/app programmer Inkscape is a great tool to do minor alterations to icons, logos etc. Change an icon to use fills instead of strokes? No problem. Change colours? No problem. Align the image in the middle of viewport? Remove excessive spacing? Make icons from different sources the same size? Grab a logo from a PDF? No problem. Though my days as an aspiring graphics designer are long past, I would think…

> For web/app design there are a lot of shortcomings though. There's no dynamic snapping,

what do you mean by dynamic snapping. Inkscape had snap to objects, corners, grids ... since forever. Is there anything else to dynamic snapping?

> filters on groups (e.g. drop shadows),

I think there were multiple extensions that could do e.g. drop shadows on groups when I looked at doing that several years ago.

> The text editor is also very basic and counter-intuitive.

I agree text handling isn't great, especially exported text paragraphs still sometimes cause issues (they essentially don't show up in exported PDFs). That said I'm not sure what you mean by the text editor is basic, sure it's not a word processor, but other programs in this space have very similar editors.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by aliswe »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

Virtually all FOSS projects grind to a halt with regards to basic features as soon as they gain traction. The old userbase wants to keep the UX, others want to revamp, yet others want some other kind of pivot.

The real pivot window is before you gain traction, unfortunately.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by zuzun »

jeppester wrote: post #125

As a mostly web/app programmer Inkscape is a great tool to do minor alterations to icons, logos etc. Change an icon to use fills instead of strokes? No problem. Change colours? No problem. Align the image in the middle of viewport? Remove excessive spacing? Make icons from different sources the same size? Grab a logo from a PDF? No problem. Though my days as an aspiring graphics designer are long past, I would think…

> dynamic snapping

This release adds alignment and distribution snapping, it's mentioned in the full release notes:

https://media.inkscape.org/media/doc/release_notes/1.2/Inksc...

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by aliswe »

digisign wrote: post #122
foxes wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit like the meta discussion, salty is current term in society unlike GIMP and Inkscape UI. I have a concrete questions: Why can’t a lot of FOSS projects try and distill what is good about modern UI or ideas instead of looking like a program from 10 years ago. What is the obstruction in the community getting people to work on this? Hostile power user attitudes? Simultaneously if free software advocates want it to b…

The point was, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone is paying one way or the other. Comparing a few volunteers to trillion dollar organizations or VC projects is a little silly, is it not? Not to mention "modern design" is often worse in a number of ways. Inkscape is an incredible achievement with the amount of resources it has had available. If you can do better, do so. I'm willing to bet a comparable prog…

There is such a thing as a FOSS lunch, though :) And I think its allowed to discuss the fact that todays lunch seems salty.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by las_balas_tres »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

Do you ever think a project like Blender will end up like this. I don't think there is anything remotely similar to it online and I doubt there ever will be.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by Gigachad »

aliswe wrote: post #136
Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

Virtually all FOSS projects grind to a halt with regards to basic features as soon as they gain traction. The old userbase wants to keep the UX, others want to revamp, yet others want some other kind of pivot. The real pivot window is before you gain traction, unfortunately.

This seems accurate. Reminds me of libre office which has a settings page to pick between 5 different toolbar UIs. I have got to the point where I don’t want to be customising my toolbar. I just want the default one and I want the default one to be the best UI. While the default on LO hasn’t progressed in 20 years.
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