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Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by doctormon »

tadfisher wrote: post #40
Gigachad wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It requires a total redesign of the app and architecture. Being able to live stream edits in and conflict resolution. But I think the biggest barrier is most FOSS enthusiasts consider web apps and collaboration to be anti user malware.

Sounds like there's a need for: 1. A generic CRDT library, preferably in C or something that exposes a C interface. This is probably very hard or even impossible, depending on how much must be abstracted and how much work the developer must do to express edits in terms of the CRDT. 2. A P2P backend for said library for streaming edits. 3. A networked data store, maybe as-a-service, for versioning and persistence. 2 a…

Did you know, Inkscape used to have live sharing of documents.

It was removed because no one wanted to maintain it.

It's not impossible to imagine it being added back in though. Maybe with updated technology.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by zbrozek »

hollasch wrote: post #58

I will be very happy if one day I open up Inkscape and I'm not presented with a virtual sheet of paper as my starting point. I find it extraordinarily off putting to have to pretend I'm going to print out the end result.

What is your objection, specifically? Is it that canvases are finite? That the default finite size is a paper size? That the background is white? Something else?

I have a lot of complaints about inkscape, but this wasn't one of them.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by teleforce »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

I really think that the future is Local-First software and FOSS can greatly benefit from the new paradigm [1]. With Local-First software the cloud is just the natural extension for backup and collaboration (real-time or offline) not the sole repository for the data.

[1]Local-first software You own your data, in spite of the cloud:

https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by doctormon »

foxes wrote: post #38

Why does it see so hard for FOSS to design a good looking UI. I honestly struggle visually with distinguishing what all those symbols mean. I don't use inkscape enough to memorise keyboard shortcuts. I'm sure an experienced user will come along and proclaim it just works, but as someone who wants to use it intermittently, it needs some serious refinement.

Are the serious refinements in this new version, along the lines of the refinements you have in mind?

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by dotnet00 »

foxes wrote: post #60
digisign wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Darn tootin'! I'd ask for my money back.

You can be salty if you want but the majority of the word has moved on from archaic desktop apps.

Generally these 'archaic' desktop apps have much better UIs than all the flat mobile-focused UIs that are popular these days with their oodles of wasted screen space, messy menus and unnecessary extra clicks needed for basic operations.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by paulolieuthier »

tarball wrote: post #6

I am a daily user of Inkscape and I love this software. Thank you for that version, snapping and multiple pages are incredibly helpful. Earlier in the day, I was about to download a suspicious add-on to batch export images, what a pleasure to find this option in this new version!

Yeah, multiple pain points fixed.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by makeitdouble »

teleforce wrote: post #64
Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

I really think that the future is Local-First software and FOSS can greatly benefit from the new paradigm [1]. With Local-First software the cloud is just the natural extension for backup and collaboration (real-time or offline) not the sole repository for the data. [1]Local-first software You own your data, in spite of the cloud: https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first/

The concept looks fine, but was there resistance from users to have local apps talk to cloud resources in the first place ? It looks to me like it’s just describing the situation from a few years ago, but as a pre-packaged concept.

I understand the current situation as a result from evolving business models, that lead to better profits when the control is taken away from the user and they have to get into subscriptions for continuous use. Basically the Adobe CS story. This manifesto doesn’t touch the business aspect at all, so I’m not sure what to take from it.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by meibo »

Inkscape definitely needs an UX refresh like Blender had one. It's very hard to pick up, lots of weird/arcane behavior that doesn't match other tools in the space.

Happy to see that work is still being done.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by redox99 »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

I don't agree that this thing about moving to the browser is currently relevant outside of the drawing software like figma and equivalents. I don't see NLE, 3D suites, DAWs and many more moving anytime soon to the browser. Maybe photo editors like photoshop? But even that isn't there yet.

And to be honest the only FOSS content creation software that actually competes at the professional level (i.e not just simple edits) with proprietary tools is Blender: As in, would people use this software, if all the (currently proprietary) alternatives were also FOSS? But inkscape doesn't need to compete. So I don't think it's getting left behind in the dust.

I'm sure too that most inkscape users would much rather have a lot other improvements, than moving to the web.

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