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$3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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> The current bubble is definitely over though Why do you say “over”? I see BTC reaching $20k this summer and then falling to <$10k as miners fold.

Why would miners folding cause Bitcoin to drop in value? The same amount of Bitcoin will be mined no matter what.

Not quite. Bitcoin difficulty adjusts every 2000 blocks, which typically happens every two weeks. If the hashrate drops, those blocks happen less often, so the adjustment happens less often.

These past years the Bitcoin ASICs have been tremendously profitable, and as a result the demand for the hardware goes up, leading to huge profits for the hardware makers. These past few months have seen a drop in Bitcoin, which drops the profit for miners, but as it is still above electricity prices, only results in cheaper hardware.

If Bitcoin drops below the electricity line, you will see miners all over the world start to turn off their devices. And once that happens, block time will rise, and that will start making the entire network less trusting. This will cause a spike of people selling their coins, and with less blocks this means a packed exit. With the packed exit, you would think this would incentivize mining as transaction fees go way up, but those fees come directly from the value of the coin, so once this starts the value of the coin is going to drop heavily.

With mining profitability dropping the further this goes, the longer block times, the more the price of Bitcoin goes down. If Bitcoin goes below 10k quick enough, it won't ever see another difficulty adjustment, and the entire chain dies. The developers might chose to hard-fork and change the difficulty changes algorithm, but as we've seen with Bitcoin Cash, these changes are political and don't tend to end well.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#52

This is a dry run of the Tether (USDT) collapse.

Tether is atleast supported with real world assets (USD/bonds etc). The amount and quality of the assets might be debatable but it can't go into a death spiral to zero like Luna and UST.

Says who? Serious question. Is there any auditing of Tether's claims, by a reputable real-economy firm? Is there any legal or regulatory authority involved at all?

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#53

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> Also, “In a sense, the market is going to take that as kind of bullish.” - a.k.a. the standard 'this is good for bitcoin' quote, applicable whatever the news is! Yes all weekend I had been wondering and cautious based on how much bitcoin was left to sell! Its just a commodity, supply can be faster than demand, specifically when one whale is expected to flood the market Terra Luna rallied 500x (50,000%) off the lows…

Where is this rally you reference? All the charts I can find sink to zero with no significant movement after that point.

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Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The current bubble is definitely over though Why do you say “over”? I see BTC reaching $20k this summer and then falling to <$10k as miners fold.

Why would miners folding cause Bitcoin to drop in value? The same amount of Bitcoin will be mined no matter what.

If mining becomes a major expense because the price of bitcoin is too low to recoup the cost of electricity how long would it take for the difficult to adjust?

If miners and shutting down during that time I'd expect the time between blocks to increase.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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I mean that was the expected outcome and now people are like “proof of the expected outcome!?!” Following months of outcry about the unsustainable nature of Terra Luna, Do Kwon through his foundation tried to partially collateralize the stablecoin with bitcoin, with a goal of buying up to $10bn of bitcoin. He got $3-5bn (at the time, price changed a lot), and this prolonged the confidence system for one additional mo…

>So it doesnt matter whether we get records from exchanges It matters a lot. The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof. If they concentrated their usage of the reserves to keep the peg earlier, possibly anyone selling below $1 would take an immediate loss and no noticeable depeg would even happ…

What's the point? There was never a real "market" in any meaningful sense. Since the beginning it was always a fake scam to separate suckers from their real (fiat) money. A combination of Ponzi scheme and shell game.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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I am extremely out of the loop on the latest crypto developments / schemes, but * Where did this foundation get $3B to buy Bitcoin? * Is there any proof at all that they traded it to a counterparty who actually attempted to prop up UST and didn't just run off with them?

> Is there any proof at all that they traded it to a counterparty who actually attempted to prop up UST and didn't just run off with them? This brings up an exceedingly funny point: blockchains excel at making every transaction public (a property that nearly nobody actually wants) and simultaneously offering complete privacy to institutional actors. In other words: privacy for me, but not for thee.

Reminds me of the Peruvian general Óscar Benavides: “For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.”

The whales got a bailout, while retail got market forces.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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I am extremely out of the loop on the latest crypto developments / schemes, but * Where did this foundation get $3B to buy Bitcoin? * Is there any proof at all that they traded it to a counterparty who actually attempted to prop up UST and didn't just run off with them?

On the second point, to be fair you can look at the UST graph and see that someone did indeed burn a tonne of Luna to support UST. It's probably impossible to really prove that every penny went to supporting it, and it's probably impossible/unlikely that Do Kwon really bankrupted himself for this, but at the very least we can say someone decided they were going down with the ship and set a lot of money on fire. Difficult to see who would've done that other than LFG.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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I am extremely out of the loop on the latest crypto developments / schemes, but * Where did this foundation get $3B to buy Bitcoin? * Is there any proof at all that they traded it to a counterparty who actually attempted to prop up UST and didn't just run off with them?

* From Crypto Bros putting cash in Luna, hoping it will reach the moon, as the name implies. The foundation bought BTC as hedge in case Luna/Terra goes haywire. * No, there's no proof.

That's where it gets incredibly funny. They persuaded everyone that UST was worth $10Bn dollars and then went and bought $3Bn of BTC with the profits. At which point the obvious question is "Hey - isn't this asset by definition worth $3Bn"? And the answer is "Oh, no, by the time it drops from $10Bn to $7Bn we've burned all our collateral and it's worth 0".
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