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$3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#11

As of writing, CoinMarketCap values TerraUST (the stablecoin) at $0.09. Needless to say, that 3B didn't do a damn thing. No amount of cash infusions are going to save Terra, because the problem is trust.

Or the problem is a bank run. They threw 3B to fix an issue with a bank having 40B+ in assets and seeing more than 3B of withdraws.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #2

I'm kind of amazed that the Bitcoin price wasn't affected more given this event as well as the larger macro events with the stock markets, Fed and inflation.

Well, the value that collapsed was the exchange rate of BTC to LUNA, which is now at fractional cents per coin after hyperinflation... They kind of gave a $3B liquidity exit for holders to dump their LUNA tokens into via the LUNA/BTC pairs that they were market making

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#14
I don't understand, if $3B in bitcoin is sold to save UST we should also be able to see a equivalent of that $3B in Terra/Luna/UST buys?

I don't understand crypto, and or how the Luna/UST works, but if you supported/buy something this should be visible, not only in vanished bitcoins, or am I mistaken?

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#15

As of writing, CoinMarketCap values TerraUST (the stablecoin) at $0.09. Needless to say, that 3B didn't do a damn thing. No amount of cash infusions are going to save Terra, because the problem is trust.

Or the problem is a bank run. They threw 3B to fix an issue with a bank having 40B+ in assets and seeing more than 3B of withdraws.

A bank run is exactly a trust issue.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #10
post #2

I'm kind of amazed that the Bitcoin price wasn't affected more given this event as well as the larger macro events with the stock markets, Fed and inflation.

Unweathered protocols on eth failing shouldn't affect bitcoin. They're only related insofar as they are both crypto. The $3B in bitcoin sold could have been anything.

A 3bn fire sale is going to have a price effect no matter the reasoning behind it.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#17
I mean that was the expected outcome and now people are like “proof of the expected outcome!?!”

Following months of outcry about the unsustainable nature of Terra Luna, Do Kwon through his foundation tried to partially collateralize the stablecoin with bitcoin, with a goal of buying up to $10bn of bitcoin. He got $3-5bn (at the time, price changed a lot), and this prolonged the confidence system for one additional month.

And then it imploded and sold the collateral, of course it was partial collateral so it failed to do anything in a bank run.

So it doesnt matter whether we get records from exchanges or not. Nothing different would happen. People want to see Do Kwon have more reasons to have charges against him, but there’s no need to attribute it to malice, everything can be explained by incompetence already.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

#18
post #7

I am extremely out of the loop on the latest crypto developments / schemes, but * Where did this foundation get $3B to buy Bitcoin? * Is there any proof at all that they traded it to a counterparty who actually attempted to prop up UST and didn't just run off with them?

> Is there any proof at all that they traded it to a counterparty who actually attempted to prop up UST and didn't just run off with them?

This brings up an exceedingly funny point: blockchains excel at making every transaction public (a property that nearly nobody actually wants) and simultaneously offering complete privacy to institutional actors.

In other words: privacy for me, but not for thee.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #4

"Sold" It's hard to show that they really sold these coins. Certainly, the LFG transferred the coins to some different exchanges. But did they truly sell them? If I was running a dodgy ponzi scheme and saw it collapsing catastrophically, I don't think I'd be throwing good money after bad trying to futilely patch it up. Much better to stash the remaining assets away somewhere and personally cash out later on. Also, “I…

>Also, “In a sense, the market is going to take that as kind of bullish.” - a.k.a. the standard 'this is good for bitcoin' quote, applicable whatever the news is!

Good observation. I may not be Warren Buffet, but it angers me greatly to see this kind of moronic chatter masquerading as informed opinion on finance or market dynamics.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #4

"Sold" It's hard to show that they really sold these coins. Certainly, the LFG transferred the coins to some different exchanges. But did they truly sell them? If I was running a dodgy ponzi scheme and saw it collapsing catastrophically, I don't think I'd be throwing good money after bad trying to futilely patch it up. Much better to stash the remaining assets away somewhere and personally cash out later on. Also, “I…

I would hope that there would be some kind of evidence that can corroborate this. A sudden movement of 3B is a lot to hide on a public ledger, exchanges or no. Someone will certainly be connecting the dots.
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