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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by nerdponx »

yalogin wrote: post #43

I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world like India and major parts of the US even test now. I mean unless it’s absolutely clear it’s covid they probably don’t test and go on with their lives.

American media I think is completely done with Covid reporting, realizing that they have exhausted the public's appetite for it.

It's hard to avoid the temptation to blame the news media for the pseudo-populist dysfunction of the American political system at the moment.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by spookthesunset »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #94
koenvdb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse you? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/asia/china-leaving-shangh... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/06/chinas-covid-lockdowns-hit-m... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/shanghai-to-en... The "MSM media" is not ignoring it. Btw, I had to google the term because I wasn't sure what you meant by MSM. It stands for Mainstream Media.

I just went to CNN and NYTimes and ctrl+f for China, Nytimes has a single article about students protesting the lock down and CNN requires to go to a specific China section to view coverage. So it's apparently lower priority not front page news.

I mean NYT and other media outlets were begging for this type of “real lockdown” the entire time. Not to mention tons of people. This is the “real lockdown” they all wanted.

Well, this is what a “real” lockdown looks like! They are “taking it serious” over in China!

I still can’t get over how so many countries and states decided to copy china back in march 2020. What you see here is the end result of letting exactly one specific problem completely dominate everything else.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by xyzzy123 »

scarface74 wrote: post #84
lnsru wrote: post #46

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I also heard, their vaccination program wasn’t that good as elsewhere. Everybody in my bubble in Germany got corona at least once. Everybody were vaccinated at least twice. All cases in all age groups were not worse than average cold.

I was very cautious before the vaccines. But afterwards, it was mostly Covid theatre in the US: 1. Mask mandates - dumb - people who didn’t want to wear them weren’t wearing them properly and most were wearing completely ineffective cloth masks. I travelled a lot and you were allowed to take your mask off while eating on a plane. So what good was requiring a mask? 2. Vaccine mandates - everyone agrees that the vaccin…

Re: the masks on planes. Assume a linear rate of virus particle shedding per breath and calculate the total viral load in the air of the plane over time, assuming the mask can catch a resonable proportion.

The "pointless ceremony" of "masks while not eating" works out better.

I think because we see ourselves as "sick or not sick" and "infected or not infected", people are not very calibrated to think or care about magnitude of exposure.

Public health prophylactic measures can have real impact on both large and small scales, even when imperfectly followed. It's the statistics of the thing. Terrorism measures are stil theatre IMHO because they have such a lumpy and weird distribution.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by Drybones »

vasac wrote: post #96
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

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I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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I wouldn't trust or believe either of those numbers for either country, at all.

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Post by loeg »

dubswithus wrote: post #99
vasac wrote: post #96

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Most of those deaths were before the vaccine was widely available or available at all. Is it really a great choice now?

China isn’t distributing the effective western vaccines to its citizens. Also their death numbers are a complete fiction.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by [deleted] »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #90
another_story wrote: post #73

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I would not call things fine. It's a mess of nonstop testing and ridiculous rules being enforced by people who are not trained for it. You've got old people who can hardly walk being asked to leave to get tested multiple times a month and millions who are quickly going broke for lack of work.

^ This is exactly why I was against lockdowns in America circa June of 2000. Somehow back then if you took this position you were labelled anti-science, a racist, basically a serial killer, etc. I hope next time there is a major event people will stop and think "Maybe this person just disagrees with my conclusion."

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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by loeg »

captainmuon wrote: post #22

Does anybody know what the situation is in the rest of China? I hear there are a couple of strict lockdowns in other cities, and some districts of Beijing. China has in the past justified their harsh measures because the relative majority could live without Covid restrictions (and illness and deaths of course). It would be interesting to see what portion of the population is on lockdown, but it is hard to find good s…

I ordered from Xiamen, China in late April and it shipped basically on time (some time to actually build the item) 1.5 weeks later. So I don’t think there’s insane lockdowns there currently.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by belter »

vasac wrote: post #96
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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"China is another story. Its official statistics understate the Chinese Covid death rate by 17,000% (according to The Economist’s model).

In fact, based on excess mortality calculations, The Economist estimates that the true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million."

"Beijing Is Intentionally Underreporting China’s Covid Death Rate"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/02/beijin...

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by LinuxBender »

yalogin wrote: post #43

I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world like India and major parts of the US even test now. I mean unless it’s absolutely clear it’s covid they probably don’t test and go on with their lives.

There are some theories posited by this youtuber [1] that suggest this has little to do with covid. I am curious what others here familiar with living in China think about this.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 [video]

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