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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by kurthr »

natch wrote: post #71

Author of article is apparently unaware of online sales of new cars in which no dealer is involved. Which very well could have been zero as well, but it should have been mentioned even if to clarify they do not exist in China, if that is indeed the case.

How would you take delivery of a car when in lockdown? Maybe if you're a big white (Tyvek suited enforcer) you could pick it up? Why after two weeks of being locked into your apartment would you decide to buy a car you couldn't pickup, sight unseen?

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by _fat_santa »

whimsicalism wrote: post #63
xyzzy123 wrote: post #56

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About 10 million people die per year in China. At some point when thinking about the value of preventing death you need to introduce QALYs and then you need to think about the the duration, impact and breadth of lockdowns.

But most of China has not been on lockdown for most of the pandemic. Most people have experienced less lockdown than in the US, albeit more intense when it is locked down. 4 million excess deaths is a ton no matter which way you look at it.

> 4 million excess deaths is a ton no matter which way you look at it.

You have to take the size of China into account, with 1.5B people, 4M is 2% of their population, it would be similar to 700k deaths in the US. While yes it is a ton, think about what effect the lockdowns will have. Some have speculated that more people have died thus far in Shanghai from the lockdowns than from Covid itself.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by [deleted] »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #87
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

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I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

Damn, if only China was this strict about its lab safety.

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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

koenvdb wrote: post #60
FunnyBadger wrote: post #55

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Excuse you? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/asia/china-leaving-shangh... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/06/chinas-covid-lockdowns-hit-m... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/shanghai-to-en... The "MSM media" is not ignoring it. Btw, I had to google the term because I wasn't sure what you meant by MSM. It stands for Mainstream Media.

I just went to CNN and NYTimes and ctrl+f for China,

Nytimes has a single article about students protesting the lock down and CNN requires to go to a specific China section to view coverage.

So it's apparently lower priority not front page news.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by izzydata »

vmception wrote: post #81
izzydata wrote: post #42

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It seems like Omicron is way worse in China because their initial lockdown response had them living in a covid bubble while the rest of the world got infected. Unless they managed to never have another case forever this seemed like an inevitable outcome.

We don’t know about it having a worse effect on people, but it’s just more transmissible, and china does have a lack of exposure and lack of immunity

Right, I don't mean worse on a per case basis. Just worse overall number of cases if they respond the same way as the US. Instead they are basically forced to do these harsh lockdowns or else it would be way too devastating.

If covid continues to mutate as the rest of the world keeps getting infected then China will keep having to have more aggressive and longer lockdowns. Everywhere else is slowly building natural immunity.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by vasac »

_fat_santa wrote: post #82
yalogin wrote: post #43

I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world like India and major parts of the US even test now. I mean unless it’s absolutely clear it’s covid they probably don’t test and go on with their lives.

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by TrevorJ »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #94
koenvdb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse you? https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/12/asia/china-leaving-shangh... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/06/chinas-covid-lockdowns-hit-m... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/shanghai-to-en... The "MSM media" is not ignoring it. Btw, I had to google the term because I wasn't sure what you meant by MSM. It stands for Mainstream Media.

I just went to CNN and NYTimes and ctrl+f for China, Nytimes has a single article about students protesting the lock down and CNN requires to go to a specific China section to view coverage. So it's apparently lower priority not front page news.

It's been ongoing for months, so I would not expect it to stay on the front page.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by starky »

whimsicalism wrote: post #52
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #23

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Omicron one or another, but the lockdown is due to China's ruthless zero cases policy; they've closed down ports, cities, etc to curtail the virus. I think it WAS successful for a while; afaik they didn't get much Delta cases or deaths, and their economy could keep going while the rest of the world was going into lockdown.

Personally, it's going to take a lot more failure for me to be convinced that averting ~4 million deaths was somehow misguided in the long-term. It's interesting how much American media is trying to convince me otherwise as of the past few months.

The reality at the moment is that practically everyone is going to get Covid at some point, Delta and now Omicron are just too transmissible. The only practical way for their zero Covid policy to work was to shut down all people coming into the country before Omicron arrived. Eventually they are going to have to move to a strategy of managing the virus to minimize the load on their medical system and prevent as many deaths as possible.

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by dubswithus »

vasac wrote: post #96
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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Most of those deaths were before the vaccine was widely available or available at all. Is it really a great choice now?

Re: Not a single car was sold in Shanghai last month

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Post by lillecarl »

vasac wrote: post #96
_fat_santa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…

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I wonder where those 5k numbers came from. In a country the size of China I would assume that's the rounding error.

Also what do you count the people who die from these lockdowns as, meta-covid deaths?

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