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See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

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Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

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There's usually a x-year non-compete agreement when this happens... I know a guy that does exactly what you describe, starting a new garbage pickup service every 3 years, when the agreement elapses. He then works for ~3-4 years to build it back up. Sold twice already, and on his third.

Laundromat -> liquor store -> hotel -> retire rich is a common path here. Rinse and repeat a couple times at each point, and because you sell each time to the guy trying to do the same thing behind you instead of to a big competitor, there's never non-compete agreements. Bonus in that the first two are recession proof and cash heavy businesses (if you wish to avail yourself of the possibilities that suggests).

Anecdotally, work from home put a crimp in many laundromat businesses. And liquor stores only work in states that do not let the big stores sell liquor. These days, any half decent hotel brand will require a couple million cash (for the down payment), and more for a new build. At least in the western US.

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

#122

I know I am "supposed" to like Warren Buffett, but frankly I don't; and this does show why I don't. Buffett buys a discretionary, almost a luxury item, store, and jacks up the prices well above the rate of inflation. The owner of LVMH does the same. This is not the same as a company that is advancing technology or building the same item, but for less money. I value the guy who runs the sriracha sauce company higher t…

> I value the guy who runs the sriracha sauce company higher than Buffett:

Value him in what sense? The sriracha guy made a terrible commercial mistake. The capitalist in me doesn't value a person who does that and I would hesitate investing in a venture he did over, say, Warren Buffet (hypothetically speaking of course).

People "like" Warren Buffett because he's the ultimate capitalist. Also...

If you value the sriracha guy over Buffett in a "altruistic this is better for the consumer" type of way, then sure you could make that case (as the article does), but also remember that Buffett is giving away all (most) of his profits to charity. The utilitarian could argue that Buffett's value is far greater. He's gobbled up all of the profits from various industries (for example luxury goods which provide little benefit to "the little guy") and is reapportioning those profits to charities that may actually save lives (not just dress up your rice). I don't know, I'm not arguing for Buffett personally, but there's more than whats on the surface.

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

#123

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while that may be true (and better then nothing), you still have to rely on companies like I said originally

You always have to rely on somebody if you don't do it yourself.

well, of course, but the Gov. would hopefully have goals better aligned with the population....

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

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> Buffett cautioned Huggins to never sacrifice quality for profit. Funny how that's the complete opposite of another celebrated investor: Jorge Paulo Leman from Brazil's 3G Capital Partners (Heinz, Popeye's, Anheuser-Busch, Tim Horton's, Bugger King, etc). Their game is to buy brands with very strong customer loyalty and slash costs (and quality). In the long run they'll destroy the brand but until then will make eno…

What that company did to Tim Horton’s was basically an act of war against Canada.

I haven't been to a TH for ages. Their coffee tastes badly and the food is ... merely food. Back in 2005 when I first arrived in Canada TH was the first store I visited.

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

#125

My late grandmother loved Sees candies, and I frequently gave her a box for Christmas every year. Personally I always thought they were expensive and not as good as some of the artisanal chocolate you can find these days; like a product for older generations with older tastes. And then I discovered their lollipops and little pops - both chocolate and butterscotch. They're uniquely good as hard candies, and I've never…

Their butterscotch lollipops are so good.

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

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post #12

It's the slow and steady increase in prices that made it so profitable. About 5x over inflation during Buffett ownership. This has happened to far too many items over the last few decades. Most of the things drugstores sell are cheap to make, but have steadily increased in price in the US over the last few decades. Vitamins used to be priced according to manufacturing cost. Slowly, the low-cost vitamins have been up-…

This is the predictable result of increasing drug store consolidation.

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

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post #122

I know I am "supposed" to like Warren Buffett, but frankly I don't; and this does show why I don't. Buffett buys a discretionary, almost a luxury item, store, and jacks up the prices well above the rate of inflation. The owner of LVMH does the same. This is not the same as a company that is advancing technology or building the same item, but for less money. I value the guy who runs the sriracha sauce company higher t…

> I value the guy who runs the sriracha sauce company higher than Buffett: Value him in what sense? The sriracha guy made a terrible commercial mistake. The capitalist in me doesn't value a person who does that and I would hesitate investing in a venture he did over, say, Warren Buffet (hypothetically speaking of course). People "like" Warren Buffett because he's the ultimate capitalist. Also... If you value the srir…

What was the 'terrible commercial mistake' that the sriracha guy made?

If the sriracha guy is letting people keep their own money, that is decidedly utilitarian also...

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

#128
post #99

Buffett's MO for subsidiaries is businesses that generate low cost free cash flow that can be leveraged to fund more speculative paper investments. It's very similar to the conglomerate model - arranging for an internal cost of capital lower than you can get on the open market, to fund capital intensive longer term projects. Interestingly Berkshire has never tried to develop any "synergies" whatsoever between its bus…

Basically all true, except every other conglomerate generally wanders into debt, then acts like it's candy, gets hooked and then runs into untold troubles for a while, when the debt and bad deals eventually catch up with them.

BRK noticeably avoids debt, prefers all cash deals and keeps a very strong pile of cash laying around just in case.

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

#129

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why not name the additive? I for one would like to know

Grape sugar

Can you share a link to the product. Googling it only came up with commercial announcements. Is it granular or liquid/syrup?

Re: See's Candies is Warren Buffett’s ‘dream’ investment

#130
post #78

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There is no regulation in supplement selling, except for food safety. You can sell sugar branded as Vitamin C, and if your customers aren't going to sue you for false advertising or something, you won't have any problems. The prelegeri really is retail capture.

> prelegeri Sorry, I’m having trouble tracking down this term. Could you tell me what it means or what it means in this context?

Oops, that's bilingual predictive auto-correct failing, and me not re-reading my comment...

I wanted to say "the problem is retail capture", but somehow it filled in a Romanian word instead... Phone keyboards...

Just for completeness, "prelegeri" would be best translated as "lectures" - it made no sense at all in context, it only happened to match a few letters of what I fat-fingered.

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