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Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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No, it’s an abbreviation of Tokyo. Even if To means East - in a compound To often stands for Tokyo. Same concept in these words: 来日 - Nichi means day, here it stands for Japan. Here’s an article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_abbreviated_and_contr... More examples: Todai (To for Tokyo), Nissan (Ni for Nippon)

Does this apply to Toyota as well?

Nah, that's named after a guy called Toyoda.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

#82
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was window shopping for an atmos receiver and noticed the manuals and even product design between a certain Onkyo and Pioneer receiver were basically identical. The design of the manuals, including the fonts and screenshots were almost identical. The back and front of the units were almost identical. I bet even the guts were identical! Here is the pioneer unit: https://intl.pioneer-audiovisual.com/manuals/docs/SN29…

Pioneer sold their home A/V business to Onkyo in 2015.

That would explain it!

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

#83
post #59

I feel that the AV-receiver market has gone the way of the DSLR market. Compact speaker systems like Sonos (that don't need a separate AVR) simply got good enough. Thus the need for buying a separate AVR to drive your Dolby / DTS / etc. setup has all but vanished except maybe for the most determined audiophiles (and even most of these would do well to simply get a compact wireless speaker setup instead of some monstr…

Are there any of those compact speaker systems that actually sound good, though?

Even the USB powered Logitech z120 which costs a few dollars sounds good enough even for movies.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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There's no doubt that, for a lot of people, there is just a better convenience/quality trade-off. I had a good size Onkyo system for watching movies and I configured it meticulously. But it's hard to explain to others why there is so much ceremony and bulk, especially when watching habits degenerate from immersive movies to binge watching netflix serieses. Part of the experience with hobbies is some kind of sacrifice…

I partly agree. Though once you do have a working setup and know which buttons to press, there isn’t a lot of inconvenience anymore, apart from being bound to the particular room.

The problem for the industry is more that an important target group for them are A/V nerds who are never satisfied for long with their setup and are always looking for the next best thing to upgrade to, and which also serve as a multiplicator. And those are becoming fewer and fewer.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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I feel that the AV-receiver market has gone the way of the DSLR market. Compact speaker systems like Sonos (that don't need a separate AVR) simply got good enough. Thus the need for buying a separate AVR to drive your Dolby / DTS / etc. setup has all but vanished except maybe for the most determined audiophiles (and even most of these would do well to simply get a compact wireless speaker setup instead of some monstr…

Sonos still has severe limitations and I regret buying two 5.1 setups from them. As a simple example: there is no 7.1 support at all and the Atmos support is a sort of faked 5.1.2 support where the upward firing speakers try to bounce some sounds off the ceiling. Sonos only supports 2.4GHz (no 5GHz support at all) so in a congested area network degradation is a big issue. Codec support is limited as well. For example…

FWIW they do support DTS (but not DTS-HD) now.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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This isn’t big news, the actual “Onkyo” that consumers know will carry on, the Bankruptcy is the remains of the company that had already sold off the hardware divisions. “The company sold its core home audiovisual business to Sharp and U.S.-based Voxx International and its earphones and headphones business to an investment fund, both in September. A joint venture between Sharp and Voxx is expected to continue using t…

Bankruptcy in Japan doesn't work the way it does in the West - it's pretty much a death sentence commercially in Japan. The brand will never be used again and the assets will be liquidated. The loss of face and reputation makes it very different.

> Bankruptcy in Japan doesn't work the way it does in the West

Doesn't work in which part of the way it does work in the West?

Is the brand part of the assets and impossible to be sold - as a brand - locally or globally as part of the liquidation with this Onkyo bankruptcy in Japan?

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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post #75
post #59

I feel that the AV-receiver market has gone the way of the DSLR market. Compact speaker systems like Sonos (that don't need a separate AVR) simply got good enough. Thus the need for buying a separate AVR to drive your Dolby / DTS / etc. setup has all but vanished except maybe for the most determined audiophiles (and even most of these would do well to simply get a compact wireless speaker setup instead of some monstr…

It all comes down to demand I guess... Most people seem to like Beats headphones or think their Airpods have top quality sound and don't care that $200 headphones exist that blow them out of the water. Most people use bluetooth with low quality codecs that distort the sound. In addition, most people listen to their music on streaming services that compress the heck out of tracks that are already heavily (dynamic rang…

I built modern thing a little like the old console stereo units. Used high end full-range drivers for the left/center/right and built in a sub. The thing looks like furniture but has your 3.1 covered. I think there's a Yamaha receiver in there but it isn't too crazy with regards to connectors and such.

I like to think the console stereo could come back for people who want higher quality speakers/audio.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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post #73
post #59

I feel that the AV-receiver market has gone the way of the DSLR market. Compact speaker systems like Sonos (that don't need a separate AVR) simply got good enough. Thus the need for buying a separate AVR to drive your Dolby / DTS / etc. setup has all but vanished except maybe for the most determined audiophiles (and even most of these would do well to simply get a compact wireless speaker setup instead of some monstr…

Pretty much this. Places like Parts-express have been creeping more upmarket with their own brands like Dayton Audio to fill some of the gap, but they are still more downmarket hobbyist niche and probably won't ever be in mass market stores. The same thing that happened to cameras being replaced by good enough phones happened to stereos, just with soundbar/box type appliances.

Yeah, used to buy a lot of stuff from Parts-Express (mainly full-range drivers) and made some nice speakers, etc.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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post #84

There's no doubt that, for a lot of people, there is just a better convenience/quality trade-off. I had a good size Onkyo system for watching movies and I configured it meticulously. But it's hard to explain to others why there is so much ceremony and bulk, especially when watching habits degenerate from immersive movies to binge watching netflix serieses. Part of the experience with hobbies is some kind of sacrifice…

I partly agree. Though once you do have a working setup and know which buttons to press, there isn’t a lot of inconvenience anymore, apart from being bound to the particular room. The problem for the industry is more that an important target group for them are A/V nerds who are never satisfied for long with their setup and are always looking for the next best thing to upgrade to, and which also serve as a multiplicat…

> Though once you do have a working setup and know which buttons to press, there isn‘t a lot of inconvenience anymore, apart from being bound the particular room.

I was going to comment the same... I've got a quality stereo amp (bought used), great floorstanding loudspeakers, a little DAC. I set up everything once, making sure everything was correctly positioned. There's one input I use on the amp: the DAC. I typically hook a MacBook Air to the DAC.

There's zero inconvenience. There's a volume button and that's it.

No updates. No wifi. No "smart" anything. Only a totally dumb setup that simply works.

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