I suggest pairing this with another front-page HN article from today: https://thehustle.co/why-free-stuff-makes-us-irrational/ and in that article, s/us/Google/g.
Crowdsource by Google
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Re: Crowdsource by Google
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Ultimately crowdsource leads to UBI powered by Google. It's inevitable. UBI also provides income when the recipient performs no work at all for whatever reason. Why would a company support that?
UBI is the "forever ticket" that insures the status quo when UBI is institutued will be the people in power forevermore. UBI is the means in which the 1% seal their and our fates forever, because there is zero incentive to change or improve a system where all power and decisions are performed by ignored automation for a powerless, uneducated and education-incapable 99%, while the 1% in power wallow in excess.
How will the 1% in power get others to work for them?
Re: Crowdsource by Google
#113Crowdsource by Google aka "Help a billion dollar company to create datasets for free"
Rare sighting of the long scale in the (English speaking) wild!
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#114Because calling it "free labour" just wouldn't attract quite as many people... Perhaps ~2 decades ago I would've been a bit more optimistic, but now that I'm aware of the authoritarian dystopia which Google and the rest of Big Tech are trying to drive society towards, I feel obliged to point out that helping it achieve that goal is a really bad idea.
I don't know what you are ranting about but the term "crowdsourcing" is exactly what this tool is created to do. Don't use it if you don't want to.
It could still be called "crowdsourcing" if it were compensated.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Your aggressive tone is completely inappropriate, especially considering that you are mostly wrong. They have released a single dataset, and specifically state on the site that only some of the data will be open sourced. So, perhaps it is you who should be reading further. "Google shares some Crowdsource data via open-sourcing, for the benefit of the global research and developer communities. This includes the 400,00…
First, they've released three datasets, not one. It's wild to expect they'd release all of the data, both legally and ethically. Publishing data that turns out to be garbage is worse than publishing no data at all. Publishing unfiltered user generated content when they also have the resources to evaluate quality is silly.
They've built and maintained the site that nobody else is seemingly building and offering. They've already released data from the site that's high quality. They have committed to releasing more. What more do you want from them? All things considered, this is better than essentially every other big company is doing when it comes to giving away free training data.
Re: Crowdsource by Google
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Ultimately crowdsource leads to UBI powered by Google. It's inevitable. UBI also provides income when the recipient performs no work at all for whatever reason. Why would a company support that?
UBI is the "forever ticket" that insures the status quo when UBI is institutued will be the people in power forevermore. UBI is the means in which the 1% seal their and our fates forever, because there is zero incentive to change or improve a system where all power and decisions are performed by ignored automation for a powerless, uneducated and education-incapable 99%, while the 1% in power wallow in excess.
Let's relieve humanity from the hard-scrabble "earn a living" conditions because A) we can, and B) not doing so is cruel.
Maybe we slide into complacency and sloth, but I doubt it.
Personally, I think it would free up more time for things like parenting and education, and working out political differences with words, not weapons.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
I imagine there would be some serious legal concerns with releasing the raw data (I work for Google, but no special insights into this project)
Why? Users volunteer the data. Just ask them if they're ok with it being public.
I think that approach is akin to the honor system and based on my experiences on the internet I fear that it won't scale well. For some types of images, just because the uploader is ok with the file being shared doesn't mean it's a good idea to redistribute it. For a bland example, think of a photo where the uploader doesn't have copyright. I'm sure you can imagine what would happen if someone on the seedier parts of the internet says "hey, if you upload your images to this website, Google will host it for free forever!"
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#118Because calling it "free labour" just wouldn't attract quite as many people... Perhaps ~2 decades ago I would've been a bit more optimistic, but now that I'm aware of the authoritarian dystopia which Google and the rest of Big Tech are trying to drive society towards, I feel obliged to point out that helping it achieve that goal is a really bad idea.
Free labor is all that is being pedaled in most of these projects... It really worries me about our future as a planet. It's crazy how many people jump on doing surveys for free , and even in creating content for social platforms daily for free, because it's promoted by billion dollar profit companies that could easily hire and pay people while still making good profit. The free labor economy is insanely out of contr…
*peddled
Re: Crowdsource by Google
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
UBI is the "forever ticket" that insures the status quo when UBI is institutued will be the people in power forevermore. UBI is the means in which the 1% seal their and our fates forever, because there is zero incentive to change or improve a system where all power and decisions are performed by ignored automation for a powerless, uneducated and education-incapable 99%, while the 1% in power wallow in excess.
How will the 1% in power get others to work for them?
> How will the 1% in power get others to work for them?
Tens of millions of Americans can effortlessly live in luxury relative to our ancestors. Most of us on this forum could retire to a poorer country and live comfortably off savings alone. We don’t.
Re: Crowdsource by Google
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your aggressive tone is completely inappropriate, especially considering that you are mostly wrong. They have released a single dataset, and specifically state on the site that only some of the data will be open sourced. So, perhaps it is you who should be reading further. "Google shares some Crowdsource data via open-sourcing, for the benefit of the global research and developer communities. This includes the 400,00…
First, they've released three datasets, not one. It's wild to expect they'd release all of the data, both legally and ethically. Publishing data that turns out to be garbage is worse than publishing no data at all. Publishing unfiltered user generated content when they also have the resources to evaluate quality is silly. They've built and maintained the site that nobody else is seemingly building and offering. They'…
It's even wilder to say both
> they are releasing the data under a permissive license.
and
> It's wild to expect they'd release all of the data
and still have an attitude.