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Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

"Is that really what's holding manufacturing back here?" While I also have various ideological preconceptions about the source of the economic problems in the US and elsewhere, I would observe that when someone like the CEO of Apple is expressing an opinion about what makes a factory easier to open in China than in the US, someone who has actually been the guy-who-can-say-yes to actual factories for which that decisi…

is that an appeal to authority

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An 11 month school year would be a nightmare and screw up summer activities. Plus, the misalignment of HS and College schedules will hurt advanced students. School going to 6pm in the northland is a non-starter and dangerous. (getting a little sick of the down votes without comment)

Also, it's a very American attitude to deficiency (just work more/harder) that ignores the far deeper problems. Outside of the Asian countries, who nobody should be emulating, the countries that do education well all have sane school hours. let kids be kids and figure out what you're doing fundamentally wrong. Poverty and a basic lack of respect for education are a good place to start. Look at the Jews (not the Chine…

I thought that the "American Dream" was to be an all-star quarter back in high school and college, and then get signed by the NFL. Now that's a sound career path that everyone should follow...

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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On the subject of "You’re headed for a one-term presidency because the US can’t build factories" : http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-car... With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government stimulus loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable…

It would seem that for $529 million they could build one. Isn't Tesla building cars here?

They got a factory on the cheap from Toyota that was being closed - not quite the same arrangement. c.f. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/10/teslas-got-the-factory-...

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Is that really what's holding manufacturing back here?" While I also have various ideological preconceptions about the source of the economic problems in the US and elsewhere, I would observe that when someone like the CEO of Apple is expressing an opinion about what makes a factory easier to open in China than in the US, someone who has actually been the guy-who-can-say-yes to actual factories for which that decisi…

Jobs was a businessman, not an economist. There is a good reason regulation makes it more expensive to open factories in the US: our regulations force companies to internalize the negative externalities their businesses create. China effectively subsidizes industry by forcing its citizens to bear the costs of pollution, injuries, etc, inherent in such activities. US regulation forces companies to bear some of these c…

In theory, sure, a disinterested regulator would ensure that the cost of polluting was higher than the cost of not polluting. (Another solution to this problem is via property right enforcement, by the owners of the nearby polluted properties that share airspace/water table with the polluter).

But in practice the EPA is hardly a disinterested party when it comes to publishing studies on its own cost effectiveness. It exists to increase its budget and scope, just like all other agencies, but has no check on its behavior. Its officials are not elected, cannot be fired, and are effectively invisible to the public. Moreover, opposition to EPA malfeasance/corruption is often caricatured as opposition to clean air and clean water itself.

As an example of regulatory pathology, consider that the EPA is giving grants and instruction manuals to NGOs, telling them how to sue the agency into expanding its powers.

m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/epa-funds-greens-sue-221700941.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=us&.lang=en-us

  The EPA even tacitly encourages such suits, going so  
  far as to pay for and promote a "Citizen's Guide" that, 
  among other things, explains how to sue the agency 
  under "citizen suit" provisions in environmental laws. 
  The guide's author — the Environmental Law Institute — 
  has received $9.9 million in EPA grants over the past   
  decade.

  And, to top it off, critics say the EPA often ends up 
  paying the groups' legal fees under the Equal Access to 
  Justice Act. 

  What's going on? "The EPA isn't harmed by these suits," 
  said Jeffrey Holmstead, who was an EPA official during 
  the Bush administration. "Often the suits involve things 
  the EPA wants to do anyway. By inviting a lawsuit and 
  then signing a consent decree, the agency gets legal   
  cover from political heat."
Most people have never read an expose on the EPA; they think of them as the "good guys" who protect us from the evil polluters. What's funny is that we can see through this kind of logic when the normal police invoke it to justify any action in the pursuit of common criminals, but not when the environmental police do so -- and the EPA is most certainly a branch of the police, with the power to raid, fine, and seize property.

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On the subject of "You’re headed for a one-term presidency because the US can’t build factories" : http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-car... With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government stimulus loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable…

Finland leads the world in education, and now they are building factories?!? Don't look to China, look to Finland!

Not exactly building factories. The facility where they're doing the Karmas has existed for half a century, surviving on whatever specialty manufacturing it has been able to find (e.g mostly Porsches for the last 15 years or so, I think some other sportscars before that). In the news once a year with gloomy reports about how they might lose their current contracts in a couple of years, and don't have anything else lined up yet.

So not exactly a case of a ballsy decision from Fisker to build a new production plant in that corner of the world, but rather having exactly the right kind of factory be out of work right at the time Fisker needed it.

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Yes, for lower income student it has * stupendously* good outcomes.

I would be interested in what studies this information comes from and what locales it was done in.

A cynical perspective: schools are prisons, and some lower income gang-joining students are criminals. An extra hour in school corresponds to a criminal spending an extra hour in prison instead of out wreaking havoc. The next question is forcing such students to stay in the school to begin with...

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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An 11 month school year would be a nightmare and screw up summer activities. Plus, the misalignment of HS and College schedules will hurt advanced students. School going to 6pm in the northland is a non-starter and dangerous. (getting a little sick of the down votes without comment)

Fair enough on the 6pm thing. However, there seems to be evidence [1] that the typical 2 month summer break is hurting student performance - especially for poorer students whose parents can't afford to put them into enrichment activities in the summer. How, exactly, would 11 month school years be a nightmare? Misalignment already exists - Colleges get 4 months off, don't they? I also recall seeing a talk about this e…

Here in Australia kids get 6 weeks off in summer, plus 2 weeks in autumn, winter, and spring. This seems much more sensible than getting everything off over the summer.

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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The text "turning Jobs down on making campaign" isn't in the article. It says "he’d become annoyed when Obama’s strategist David Axelrod wasn’t totally deferential" which makes it sound more like Jobs' issues were the barrier to cooperation.

Well, to be blunt, if you are going to get Picasso to design your logo you _don't_ art direct him. And you try your best not to piss him off. Because he's fucking Picasso... You don't have to use what he makes, but if you want genius, and why else would you want Jobs and his team to design an ad, you ask politely and then get out of the way. Edit: Somewhere online I read an article about Jobs getting Paul Rand (edite…

Obama had Shepard Fairey

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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An 11 month school year would be a nightmare and screw up summer activities. Plus, the misalignment of HS and College schedules will hurt advanced students. School going to 6pm in the northland is a non-starter and dangerous. (getting a little sick of the down votes without comment)

I didn't downvote but would you care to explain your reasons for all of these statements? What is so nightmatish about schools open 11mths of the year? How is school being open until 6pm dangerous? Is it something to do with darkness? Is darkness inherently dangerous?

Personally I think the suggestion about union rules and hiring/firing based on merit is the most significant of the bunch. More of the same type of school environment is not going to help.

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On the subject of "You’re headed for a one-term presidency because the US can’t build factories" : http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-car... With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government stimulus loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable…

Finland leads the world in education, and now they are building factories?!? Don't look to China, look to Finland!

Finland leads the world in education

Slightly off topic, but Finland leads the world in junior and high-school education. They have only one universities in the top 300 of the Shanghai rankings and nothing indicates that the advantage Finish students have leaving high school gives them any advantage at University. One needs to be careful about idolizing the Finish school system. While they are no doubt awesome at producing students that can do really well on PISA tests, they don't seem to be producing students who can go on to achieving academic excellence in a post-high school setting.

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