What goes unstated is that Jobs' put his social beliefs above business. Obama is far from the ideal candidate to support if you'd like unions abandoned. And yet that is who Jobs' seemed to be rooting for.
Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, because an anonymous HN commenter knows more about the state of American education than the guy who ran the company that provided American schools with leading-edge technology for the past 3 decades.
You mean the guy that beat cancer?
Yes, that one.
Paul Allen.
Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”
#43>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…
Sorry, if 7-8 hours of schooling isn't enough couple more hours won't change much.
but it could reduce the drop in productivity the parents have when they leave work to pick them up? (just brainstorming).
OR it can provide for more customized learning/hands on experience for the individual kids.
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#44An 11 month school year would be a nightmare and screw up summer activities. Plus, the misalignment of HS and College schedules will hurt advanced students. School going to 6pm in the northland is a non-starter and dangerous. (getting a little sick of the down votes without comment)
Fair enough on the 6pm thing. However, there seems to be evidence [1] that the typical 2 month summer break is hurting student performance - especially for poorer students whose parents can't afford to put them into enrichment activities in the summer. How, exactly, would 11 month school years be a nightmare? Misalignment already exists - Colleges get 4 months off, don't they? I also recall seeing a talk about this e…
So Chinese factories along with Chinese style education?
I strongly disagree. Finland leads the world in education because they provide individualised learning and teach critical thinking. The children start school there at a much later age too. They don't run a 9 hour a day, 11 month military camp for kids.
Importance of play: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland#Readiness_...
vs
"Children too busy for playtime": http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-05/13/content_871182...
Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>keep schools open until 6 >Sounds great, how do you fund it? Reduce the "defense" budget. I wouldn't be surprised if you did the calculations and found out that schools could be open 24/7 with minor tweaks to the budget allocation. It is not a matter of funding, it is only a matter of priorities. Education and research should be first on the list. I believe Jobs was right, once again.
Is there any research that indicates that more time in school leads to better educational outcomes?
Yes, for lower income student it has * stupendously* good outcomes.
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#46I really hate all these politics links polluting the frontpage lately. If I could flag again, I'd do so quietly and not comment, but this is a little ridiculous. Perhaps I need another long break from HN.
This isn't a political post. It's a "Steve Jobs yada yada" post. :-)
Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”
#47Perhaps most relevant to the current United States political climate:
Steve Jobs was infuriated by “[Obama’s] focus on the reasons that things can't get done.”
Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”
#48On the subject of "You’re headed for a one-term presidency because the US can’t build factories" : http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-car... With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government stimulus loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable…
Finland leads the world in education, and now they are building factories?!?
Don't look to China, look to Finland!
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#49An 11 month school year would be a nightmare and screw up summer activities. Plus, the misalignment of HS and College schedules will hurt advanced students. School going to 6pm in the northland is a non-starter and dangerous. (getting a little sick of the down votes without comment)
Fair enough on the 6pm thing. However, there seems to be evidence [1] that the typical 2 month summer break is hurting student performance - especially for poorer students whose parents can't afford to put them into enrichment activities in the summer. How, exactly, would 11 month school years be a nightmare? Misalignment already exists - Colleges get 4 months off, don't they? I also recall seeing a talk about this e…
In the US there are plenty of summer programs for low income children. More important, summer is a time many kids work or be kids. This belief that he only place to learn is school is bunk. It is bad enough the amount of busy work students are assigned now (3+ hours) of homework a night. Adults get mad at our work / life balance, yet we seem bound and determined to heap soul destroying hours on our children. We need to get out of the mode we are raising factory workers and give children back some time to be creative and dream.
How can anyone justify putting children in a school for 10+ hours a day for 11 months? You wouldn't work that job and neither would I. Heck, in many countries it would be illegal to have an adult work those hours. College & HS are pretty close in most states.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any research that indicates that more time in school leads to better educational outcomes?
Yes, for lower income student it has * stupendously* good outcomes.
I would be interested in what studies this information comes from and what locales it was done in.