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You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by gaganyaan »

xurukefi wrote: post #406
gaganyaan wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The set point theory, in general, is trash. You can think of your body as wanting to maintain homeostasis, which is one thing. That just means that if you binge once, you won't feel the need to continue binging at that level. It does not mean that anyone is genetically predetermined to be say 600 lbs. To use that terminology though, your body could be said to have a "set point" that it aims for, but that "set point"…

> To use that terminology though, your body could be said to have a "set point" that it aims for, but that "set point" can change. Which I acknowledged. You can decrease (or increase) your set point, but there is a limit to that. Thinking that everybody has the potential to be at BMI x simply does not match reality. The vast range of human physiology is stunning. Everybody is different. Some people need to carefully…

> Thinking that everybody has the potential to be at BMI x simply does not match reality

This is wrong, and why set point theory is trash. Nobody is destined to be fat, everybody's "set point" can in fact be at a regular, healthy weight.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by edanm »

lisper wrote: post #444
edanm wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar isn't specifically worse than other ways to consume calories, as far as I understand. The way we know this is that there have been many studies in humans , some with high-sugar diets and some with low-sugar diets, and as long as calories are equated, almost everything else about them is the same. Same amount of weight loss, blood markers look similar, etc.

References? Because I remember reading that the metabolic path for sugar (fructose in particular) produces some pretty nasty by-products. But that's not the main problem with sugar. The main problem with sugar is that it doesn't fill you up. In fact, it has the opposite effect: it makes you feel hungrier. So yes, if you eat the same number of calories in sugar or fat & protein that in and of itself will have the same…

> References? Because I remember reading that the metabolic path for sugar (fructose in particular) produces some pretty nasty by-products.

I'm not someone actually working in this field, I just read a lot and watch YouTube a lot on this topic. So I'm just going to give the first refernce I found on Google: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5174149/.

I'm mostly basing what I'm saying based on watching videos by Layne Norton, Mike Israetel and others, who are credentialed in this topic.

> But that's not the main problem with sugar. The main problem with sugar is that it doesn't fill you up. In fact, it has the opposite effect: it makes you feel hungrier.

I mostly agree. I think this effect is different for different people, but for the most part, sugar is less satiating vs. eating other foods. It's incredibly easy to overeat sugar compared to, say, overeating proteins (though both are possible).

Still, lots of sugar-containing foods are pretty great to eat, e.g. fruits. They might have sugar, but they are usually incredibly low on calories for the amount that you're eating.

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Post by doctorhandshake »

Barrin92 wrote: post #296
doctorhandshake wrote: post #44

I am bothered by the author’s written use of ‘quote-unquote’ in place of actual quotes. This is a spoken form of scare quotes and takes ‘write like you talk’ too far for me.

it has a different meaning because it puts more emphasis on the author distancing themselves from what is being said. Just putting things in quotes in text may just be a value neutral quote. Writing it out is a rhetorical device because it's difficult to quote sarcastically in written form. It's basically the textual version of doing quotes with your fingers in the air. From the text: Most of these quote-unquote mark…

That is called ‘scare quotes’, and the context is almost always sufficient to distinguish them from quotation marks, certainly in this piece they would suffice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by Zababa »

birksherty wrote: post #393
jimmydoreornot wrote: post #232

While correct and useful advice for some people, this advice is useless for many (I suspect most) overweight and obese people. I'm on the border of overweight/obese. I can lose weight if I focus on losing weight. I've dropped from 100kg to 74kg and back. I've gone back down to 91kg and back. How? Eating less, of course. By counting calories. But here is the problem. Anything below 95kg and my body and mind is hyper a…

> Why do some people's bodies/minds insist so insistently that they eat more when they clearly are already overweight? That's the question I would love to have answered. Pretty sure it's habit. Eating calorie all the time makes our brain want that food all the time. People are not used to being actually in empty stomach since their childhood. I did intermittent fasting and now I'm completely okay not eating during th…

Nuts are very calorie heavy, more than most foods.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

dalkur wrote: post #449
csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

> There is a very good chance that someone is writing a reply with some suggestion as to how I should eat so that I'm not hungry. Thank you for the thoughts, but realize that you don't live in my body, you don't know how I feel, you don't know what I've tried. I completely agree with this. I still do want to chime in a little. Don't feel obligated to try any of this, maybe you have already tried. I have a hunch you'v…

> When you're hungry try eating a large salad (a clean one that is, no sauces, or oil).

This is very important. The same goes also for many kinds of sauces added to meats. They are very, very tasty. But aside from their calories, a critical issue I have with them is that they interfere with your sensation of satiety. They just make you want to keep on eating. In my case, this tends to mess with my "hunger" signal: I get the feeling I haven't eaten enough, or I get hungry shortly after the meal. It's usually not actual hunger (I just ate a steak or whatever), but it does make me think of food and give me random cravings.

This basically never happens when I eat my food nature. [0]

I think this mechanism is a big factor in people's objections around "being hungry all the time". And yes, it's very distracting if you need to work, and even more so if you're just hanging out with nothing to do.

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[0] I actually tend to liberally add "dry" condiments (think pepper, oregano, etc). The taste is, of course, orders of magnitudes less "intense", but they don't mess with my feeling full after a regular meal.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

jungturk wrote: post #239
csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

I do think coming to terms with hunger is a huge part of weight loss - its can be an absolutely uncomfortable, anxious, or dreadful feeling for many and its a wrecking ball to well laid plans. Like most primal drives - once its present in my mind its not long before it blossoms into behavior. When I'm losing weight, I treat hunger like any other non-constructive impulse (e.g. anger, sloth, apathy, negative self talk,…

> 1) I try to prevent it by not putting myself into situations where my judgement is compromised. With hunger, this most often means never waiting too long to nourish - I've got to feed the body before the mind starts producing urges that aren't consistent with healthy outcomes. Less often, this means not being hung over and heading for a fast food breakfast.

Yup. In my case, I find that not having foods that "I shouldn't eat" (think sweets, etc) in the house at all is better than having to deal with my urge to eat those.

Also, tied to the previous point: don't go shopping for food when hungry. This helps with not having those foods in the house. "I'll control myself this time" has basically never worked for me.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

relaxing wrote: post #383
milankragujevic wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have just accepted being hungry all the time. Lost 61 pounds in 6 months, still got 44 to go before reaching my ideal weight. Being hungry all the time became normal after 2 months. It was difficult, still is. So, my diet plan was - eat less. And of that which I eat, avoid sugar like poison and avoid carbohydrates as much as possible, while still having at least some daily intake split between meals. And regular bl…

How?

Not GP, and I've never done such aggressive diets, but I've found that eating * a lot* of protein really helps with not feeling too hungry.

Sure, it's still there, but I find it much easier to deal with than if I'm eating too much sugar.

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Post by nojvek »

I weigh more in my 30s than I did in my 20s.

I’m realizing I’m slowly gaining weight year over year.

I have more abundant food now. Now that we have kids. We have regular 3x meals per day. Also I feel more hungry nowadays. Not sure why. I feel like I stress eat.

With kids and moving to Suburbs, I’m not hitting the gym 3x per week like I used to.

I could use some tips on how new parents stay in shape.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by lisper »

edanm wrote: post #452
lisper wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

References? Because I remember reading that the metabolic path for sugar (fructose in particular) produces some pretty nasty by-products. But that's not the main problem with sugar. The main problem with sugar is that it doesn't fill you up. In fact, it has the opposite effect: it makes you feel hungrier. So yes, if you eat the same number of calories in sugar or fat & protein that in and of itself will have the same…

> References? Because I remember reading that the metabolic path for sugar (fructose in particular) produces some pretty nasty by-products. I'm not someone actually working in this field, I just read a lot and watch YouTube a lot on this topic. So I'm just going to give the first refernce I found on Google: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5174149/ . I'm mostly basing what I'm saying based on watching vid…

I think that article actually sums it up quite nicely:

"The potential for overconsumption of sugars in the form of sugary foods and drinks makes targeting sugars, as a source of excess calories, a prudent strategy. However, sugar content should not be the sole determinant of a healthy diet. There are many other factors in the diet—some providing excess calories while others provide beneficial nutrients. Rather than just focusing on one energy source, we should consider the whole diet for health benefits."

Reducing sugar consumption != eliminating sugar from your diet altogether. But I think it's a useful first-order heuristic.

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Post by throwoutway »

netmonk wrote: post #433
CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WHO recently released a report on obesity in europe[1] Stressing, among other things, that obesity is a chronic disease starting very early in life, indeed even before conception, and cannot be treated as an individual failing. They also point out that health professionals should focus not on weight loss, but on life long prevention of comorbidities. To which end various treatment options are available. Weight loss m…

WHO will do everything and spread as much lies and stupid study to keep the half adult on hearth which are overweight and obese as captive costumers to bigpharma industry and industrialised food industry. So basically using them as a valid reference is stupid.

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