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You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by msrenee »

mathverse wrote: post #254
jimmydoreornot wrote: post #232

While correct and useful advice for some people, this advice is useless for many (I suspect most) overweight and obese people. I'm on the border of overweight/obese. I can lose weight if I focus on losing weight. I've dropped from 100kg to 74kg and back. I've gone back down to 91kg and back. How? Eating less, of course. By counting calories. But here is the problem. Anything below 95kg and my body and mind is hyper a…

Have you tried protein heavy diet? Just try drinking protein whey protein powder drinks the whole day for a week and see what it does to you. I dont have a problem with losing weight but It's incredibly difficult and annoying to get lean and burn fat while building muscles. I literally cant force myself to eat more if I try to do at least 200g protein every day. 2xmozarella light (42g protein), 2x66 protein drinks (1…

It completely depends on your lean weight, but 200g of protein is very high for most people who aren't athletes. I'm not in a state to work out whether the normal chorus saying that much protein will damage your kidneys is true or if I've just heard it enough times that it sounds true. Here's a publication that looks informative, but I haven't worked all the way through it and it may or may not support my presumption that 200 g of protein a day is too much for a male of average height who is not in an intense exercise regimen.

https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/31/8/1667

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by nathias »

csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

Where did you get the idea that hunger should be avoided at all cost? I'm almost always hungry.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by jimmydoreornot »

mathverse wrote: post #254
jimmydoreornot wrote: post #232

While correct and useful advice for some people, this advice is useless for many (I suspect most) overweight and obese people. I'm on the border of overweight/obese. I can lose weight if I focus on losing weight. I've dropped from 100kg to 74kg and back. I've gone back down to 91kg and back. How? Eating less, of course. By counting calories. But here is the problem. Anything below 95kg and my body and mind is hyper a…

Have you tried protein heavy diet? Just try drinking protein whey protein powder drinks the whole day for a week and see what it does to you. I dont have a problem with losing weight but It's incredibly difficult and annoying to get lean and burn fat while building muscles. I literally cant force myself to eat more if I try to do at least 200g protein every day. 2xmozarella light (42g protein), 2x66 protein drinks (1…

I'll try it.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by telomero22 »

jimmydoreornot wrote: post #270
telomero22 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your body craves carbohydrates, it's like an addiction. Overcoming that addition is all about training your willpower and delayed gratification. It's the same as smoking. Strong willed people can stop smoking in a heartbeat. Weak minded people cannot, their minds are simply too weak to resist smoking and they need it every 2 hours. Same with eating. Next time you feel that hunger feeling, out of spite just don't eat…

I don't think this willpower explanation quite fits the facts. I can delay gratification. I can quit coffee cold turkey no problem. I skip breakfast to increase my fasting period. I don't need TV or Internet, I'd rather work on my lifestyle property. I almost never take pain pills, I see myself as stoic, I can do long duration exercise. I can count calories and force my weight down from 100kg to 74kg by sheer willpow…

Ah yes, protein shakes are working wonders for that.

Especially in the afternoons, the craving for something sweet is the strongest. A protein shake completely satisifies hunger until dinner very well.

That way, you can have lunch, protein shake and dinner to get through the day very well and not binge on sweets.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by auto »

mattlondon wrote: post #228
csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

+1 to this. I am almost permanently hungry. It is extremely rare for me to feel full. My wife, friends, co-workers etc who eat the same meals as me (e.g. at restaurants or Xmas dinners etc) stop with comments like "man I am so full I could not eat another morsel!" yet I sit there with a clean plate thinking I could eat the entire thing again while also wondering what is for dessert. At home I will pretty much always…

I don’t feel the need to comment on the GP because you’ve hit my anecdata on the head, I have to eat what other people consider a sickening amount of food in order to feel “full”. Luckily, also with MFP, I’ve done everything from six months of hardcore power lifting with at least 4500 calories a day, to 9 month cuts at a 1650 max. These days, with less time with two kids and a body hitting its mid 30s, I’ve learned my maintenance calorie amounts, combined with maintenance exercise to keep me at a decent lean level, but it means living with a mild perpetual hunger pang. The only way I’ve ever avoided it in the past is with a strict low carb diet, but again with young kids, it’s difficult to get everything perfect.

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Post by Barrin92 »

doctorhandshake wrote: post #44

I am bothered by the author’s written use of ‘quote-unquote’ in place of actual quotes. This is a spoken form of scare quotes and takes ‘write like you talk’ too far for me.

it has a different meaning because it puts more emphasis on the author distancing themselves from what is being said. Just putting things in quotes in text may just be a value neutral quote. Writing it out is a rhetorical device because it's difficult to quote sarcastically in written form. It's basically the textual version of doing quotes with your fingers in the air. From the text:

Most of these quote-unquote marketed protein products are nothing more than glorified chocolate bars.

The “Health Halo” effect of food is when consumers believe foods that are advertised as healthier have fewer calories

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

mpalczewski wrote: post #241
ehsankia wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstood what I said. We evolved in a world where food was scarce, hence why we evolved to overeat once we do find food. In the past 100 years, food has no longer been scarce (for people living in a first world country), hence the obesity.

There's been an upper class for whom food wasn't scarce for thousands of years. Socrates wrote about it, and it was looked down upon as type of gluttony and quite unhealthy. However, even those upper classes, who didn't have any food scarcity did not typically get fat. Blaming it on food scarcity isn't the whole story. It's not enough that food scarcity stopped. It wasn't carbs either, as there are cultures without c…

>even those upper classes, who didn't have any food scarcity did not typically get fat. //

Some kings in the past had massive obesity problems, like Henry VIII. Apparently for him it was forced immobility following a hunting accident. Most people in the UK just haven't been able to afford to get obese until the last several decades, and I warrant companies have learnt how to hook us on high-fat and high-sugar foods to make bigger profits.

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Post by jimmydoreornot »

blobbers wrote: post #255
jimmydoreornot wrote: post #232

While correct and useful advice for some people, this advice is useless for many (I suspect most) overweight and obese people. I'm on the border of overweight/obese. I can lose weight if I focus on losing weight. I've dropped from 100kg to 74kg and back. I've gone back down to 91kg and back. How? Eating less, of course. By counting calories. But here is the problem. Anything below 95kg and my body and mind is hyper a…

Try to take a period of reprograming, where you just stick with it. Also consider a detox. Get all the garbage you don't want to eat out of the house, and insist on not buying it. Whenever you get a craving, just go drink water instead. Lastly, consider carnivore or alternate day fasting. You can get there, if you want to.

I have done fasting, I have done alternate day fasting. I have done fast-5. Yes, I can get there if I want to.

My point is that "there" is a miserable place, and so I don't stay "there".

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Post by jonhohle »

stef25 wrote: post #245
jonhohle wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on your weight, an hour of cardio is only 500 or so calories. Last night I showed my wife a hand with 5 Brazil nuts. That’s equivalent to a one mile run at my weight. Obviously different things work for different people, but no amount of cardio is going to offset a terrible diet for most people. Caloric deficit and intermittent fasting combined with exercise is the easiest and fastest way (imho) to get your…

My app and Google tell me running 6 miles in an hour burns 800+ calories.

Mass will affect the amount of calories burned.

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Post by hypersoar »

I'm sick of the "it's just calories in, calories out, idiot!" bullshit. It's at least partially wrong an woefully incomplete. Telling a fat person to eat less is like telling a depressed person to get out more. I know because I've been at the receiving end of both.

For one thing, it ignores that the calorie consumer has feelings. First, running a calorie deficit makes you physiologically hungry. You can fight the hunger, but no willpower or strength of character is going to make it disappear. Going on a diet is a constant fight against your body. And that doesn't even get into the psychological reasons people eat. Articles like this one make no effort to account for this. They don't explore the negative effects. Being hungry all the time is really fucking distracting. And they certainly don't try to weigh those downsides against the potential benefits.

And those benefits to dieting are very much "potential". Study after study has shown that diets don't work in the long term; people usually gain the weight back. The article smarmily dismisses metabolism as a factor. But losing weight slows your metabolism down. You end up needing to cut you intake even further than someone who's been steady at the same weight [1].

I've been fat and I've lost weight. My maximum weight exceeded my minimum (post-max) weight by about 100 pounds. Right now I'm somewhere in the middle. To the extend that I've had sustained weight loss, it has been by making gradual, sustainable changes to my lifestyle. And these changes haven't used weight as a target. Getting into running, replacing some foods with other foods, and working on my mental health are all fairly sustainable in their own right. They make me feel better and healthier. The correlated weight loss is incidental. When I did use weight as a target, I did more harm than good. Exercising and dieting to the point of passing out for a whole day after a long run did make me lose weight, but it didn't make me healthier. In fact, my running got slower.

Leave fat people the fuck alone about their diets. The panopticon of shame and ridicule doesn't help.

[1] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/88/4/906/4650207?login...

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