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You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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This article is quite accurate I think. I use MyFitnessPal on and off. It is easy - you just scan the barcode and it tots up the calories. MFP is excellent at making you face up to what you are actually eating. At first it was a huge eye-opener for how many calories were in everyday things - like a slice of bread is 80-120 calories etc. The article mentions fruit juice too - that was a big one for me as well. I figur…

> you just scan the barcode and it tots up the calories.

A good tule of thumb is to minimize the number of things you eat with barcodes.

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Can you be a little more specific? Wikipedia seems to mostly say that the science is still a work in progress, and at least I don't see much support for the claim that it reduces weight while allowing for the same calorie consumption.

Yes, it is a work in progress, but there are some positive results.

My point is that hiding this fact is not telling the whole story.

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I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

how tall are you?

6 foot ish - 185 cm

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

Where did you get the idea that hunger should be avoided at all cost? I'm almost always hungry.

Oh, I've thought about this a lot too. I know there are cultural and psychological components, and that is my main point. Everyone's experience and expectation are different.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Why the hell does everyone bring up calories for fat loss? I lost 45 pounds by not counting my calories at all (only in the beginning, when I didn't know any better). You lose fat by reducing insulin resistance, not by food intake. I didn't even exercise, I basically sat all day and those pounds flew off. I did intermittent fasting, learned to cook, and slowly started replacing my diet with healthier foods. I'll be honest, I lost a good portion by going keto and avoiding the majority of carbs but I quit because there's no way I could keep a diet like that long-term. Now I eat complex carbs and indulge in junk food once in awhile, with my diet being mostly whole foods. I keep a steady 150ish at 5'8.

The more important factor is ALWAYS the psychological factor, which NEVER gets brought up in weight loss advice. If someone is obese or nearing obesity, they have a food addiction. They keep eating because they're filling a void in themselves. I'll be honest, I had to deal with it and if you're overweight and trying to lose weight you'll have to deal with it too. When I was overweight, I was also depressed and in an abusive environment so I ate the pain away. It's related to emotional nourishment, which unfortunately not many people get enough of these days and it fuels food addiction. It fuels any addiction, really. Most likely there's no one around the obese person who understands them and has any type of real, deep connection with them as a person so they eat to keep that void away. At least that's what it was for me, maybe it's different for someone else. That's the real reason someone can't lose weight, there's an underlying psychological problem fueling it. No mentally healthy person is overweight. No amount of "calorie counting" will solve the empty void someone who's obese is trying to fill.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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this article sucks. because of widespread issues like hypothyroidism that aren't routinely screened for (in some cases yes but i don't think this is largely the case), there are serious endocrine and metabolic disruptions, so for the author to brush that off in an article that is clearly designed for people who are struggling to lose weight, it's just way off base. there should at least be footnotes for people to have their T3, T4, and TSH checked if they are struggling to lose weight at a caloric deficit.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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I'm sick of the "it's just calories in, calories out, idiot!" bullshit. It's at least partially wrong an woefully incomplete. Telling a fat person to eat less is like telling a depressed person to get out more. I know because I've been at the receiving end of both. For one thing, it ignores that the calorie consumer has feelings. First, running a calorie deficit makes you physiologically hungry. You can fight the hun…

"And those benefits to dieting are very much "potential". Study after study has shown that diets don't work in the long term; people usually gain the weight back." I'm sorry, but this is misleading BS. Studies have found that diets don't work for most people cause most people just suck at sticking to diets, not because CICO is somehow fundamentally flawed. To imply the second is dishonest. It would be like saying tha…

The fact that people don't stick to diets is why they don't work. This is what I mean about discounting the human element. A solution requiring every individual to do something incredibly difficult is no solution at all. It's like if we tried to help everyone having a hard time with technology to RTFM and ridiculed those who didn't. It's not what you do when you're actually trying to solve the problem.

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> It doesn't even take that much extra food to gain a lot of weight. One extra piece of cake a week [...] I honestly only say this in case it helps, and I'm firmly on the upper end of 'healthy' UK BMI so not in any health freak position of judgement by a long shot, but I last had a slice of cake months ago, so the casual 'just an extra slice of cake every week ' really stands out to me. (On a complete tangent I don't…

I was raised in a family that used food treats as a reward. It was normal to have ice cream and cookies a few times a week. To be clear, I wasn't obese until after I moved out on my own, but part of the pattern was set. I was raised in America where we are told that we can 'have it all'. If you don't order the large portion, people wonder what is wrong with you. I'm not blaming my situation on these factors, but I do…

> If you don't order the large portion, people wonder what is wrong with you.

I think if 'order the large' is an option, you're already ordering from a takeaway/in a 'junk food' place.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Recommend book by Herman Pontzer from last year. "Burn: New Research Blows the Lid Off How We Really Burn Calories, Lose Weight, and Stay Healthy" Listened to on podcast 'Why is this happening with Chris Hayes' for 1 hour summary on it.

I admit I'm distrustful of such a dramatic title. The central message from the originally posted article is that losing weight is mostly a matter of maintaining a caloric deficit. This is has been understood for some time now. What is the "new research" that is so important, in this case?

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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One of my roommates tried everything, including good hard exercise and all sorts of diets. Nothing seemed to be working. It was kind of perplexing me, actually. Then we started working the same schedule, breakfast together. The whole thing unravelled with a casual comment he made. "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Show me…

> "Wow, you're really stingy with the sugar in your coffee." > Except I wasn't. I was actually indulging myself, like two tablespoons. Is that correct? 2tbsp? 30ml? That's beyond indulgent. Sugar in hot drinks is typically measured in teaspoons, where two is a lot. And that's a third as much as yours; his I dread to think. I don't say it to be condescending, but I am sceptical that sugared coffee drinkers have ever t…

Yes. In my defence it is a large glass :) When I do that, I'm drinking it for the sugar + caffeine boost. Like I would a can of Coca Cola. It's about the same amount of sugar as a standard can. Absolutely not healthy, I know.
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