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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by unmole »

wenc wrote: post #69
EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

I think expatriate actually has a different shade of meaning from migrant. Expats are typically people living outside their country on a non-permanent basis (on assignment or some temporary basis), with no intention to permanent emigrate to the country. Immigrants however are people who move to a country with the intention of settling there permanently. From the article's description, it sounds like these folks are e…

Have you ever seen Indian H1B workers described as expats?

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by aklemm »

dgellow wrote: post #83
EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

I know that in the US these topics are often conflated, but it isn’t necessarily about race, more about social class and how much money you have. But you’re right, not all migrants are treated or categorized the same way. I’m myself an expatriate, I left my country and immigrated somewhere else. Nobody would ever call me a migrant even if it is technically correct because I don’t match the stereotype (due to my natio…

> it isn’t necessarily about race, more about social class and how much money you have

When did those get disentangled?

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by 6sup6 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #54

>Within the mix of retirees, digital nomads and young families fed up with issues including the costs of housing and healthcare, Trumpian politics and pandemic policies, Given that Trump is not the president since a long time and California is the most progressive US state, I'd think that Californians are fleeing progressive politics, not Trumpian politics.

I was born in the US and came to Portugal 2.5 years ago. After dealing with the typical California urbanite, I feel for my people. The issue isn't just the price increases in many things in my home country. It is also that these people, once they are allowed to vote in Portugal, will push for the same stuff that they did in California and screw my politically/socially moderate home country. Very sad, maybe I will start voting accordingly to counterbalance this.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by 6sup6 »

teg4n_ wrote: post #65
DeathArrow wrote: post #54

>Within the mix of retirees, digital nomads and young families fed up with issues including the costs of housing and healthcare, Trumpian politics and pandemic policies, Given that Trump is not the president since a long time and California is the most progressive US state, I'd think that Californians are fleeing progressive politics, not Trumpian politics.

Ah yes, fleeing progressive California to a country with with an actual socialist party in charge of the government.

That party is only socialist in name. LOL

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by otterley »

refurb wrote: post #126
otterley wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me your data, and I’ll validate your claim. The great weight of stories published on this question indicates that people are vacating to live less expensively/more lavishly, not to be with people less politically progressive. Are there a few such people? Sure. But they’re hardly the majority. There are a lot of reasons why people choose not to send their kids to public school. Sometimes it’s because they perceiv…

“Parents want schools that are safe, they want their kids good at math”. Two things progressive schools don’t offer.

Says who? It feels like you’re just trolling and don’t have any actual useful information to add.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by refurb »

otterley wrote: post #135
refurb wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Parents want schools that are safe, they want their kids good at math”. Two things progressive schools don’t offer.

Says who? It feels like you’re just trolling and don’t have any actual useful information to add.

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/projected-k-12-drops-in-enro...

That many families aren’t leaving the Bay Area they are just pulling their kids out of school.

Why if not the progressive curricula?

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by j7ake »

motogpjimbo wrote: post #90
EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

You're right that two different terms are in use, but you're wrong (and unnecessarily provocative) to attribute it to race. There's a lack of symmetry between a wealthy Brit moving to Singapore or Dubai and an economic migrant from Pakistan, say, moving to the UK. That lack of symmetry justifies the different terminology.

It is still a race component because wealthy Chinese people who move to UK with no intention to integrate are not called expats.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by otterley »

refurb wrote: post #136
otterley wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Says who? It feels like you’re just trolling and don’t have any actual useful information to add.

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/projected-k-12-drops-in-enro... That many families aren’t leaving the Bay Area they are just pulling their kids out of school. Why if not the progressive curricula?

The article you cited provided the primary reasons why enrollments are declining:

""" Slow population growth: In the 1960s, the population in California grew 26%. Between 2000 and 2010, growth slowed to 15%, then 6.5% between 2010 and 2020. In 2020, there was a net migration loss of 0.5%, signaling that the state’s projection for the next decade, a slim 5.2 percent, may be high.

Aging population: In 1970, the median age in California was 28; in 2020 it was 38. In 2030, it will creep up to 40.

Birth rates: In the 1950s, the birth rate in California was 25 per 1,000 people; in 2020, it was 12. The previous low of 12.6 was in 1933, during the Great Depression.

Delayed marriage: In 2020, for the first time, women’s average age of marrying was over 30. """

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by refurb »

otterley wrote: post #138
refurb wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/projected-k-12-drops-in-enro... That many families aren’t leaving the Bay Area they are just pulling their kids out of school. Why if not the progressive curricula?

The article you cited provided the primary reasons why enrollments are declining: """ Slow population growth: In the 1960s, the population in California grew 26%. Between 2000 and 2010, growth slowed to 15%, then 6.5% between 2010 and 2020. In 2020, there was a net migration loss of 0.5%, signaling that the state’s projection for the next decade, a slim 5.2 percent, may be high. Aging population: In 1970, the median…

It dropped 5% just this past year. The population did not decline 5% this past year.

And sorry, "slow population growth" is the same as "increasing population growth", so it doesn't explain a decrease.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by da39a3ee »

dannyphantom wrote: post #128
sometimeshuman wrote: post #38

I think people from coastal California, such as the couple featured in the article, take for granted the spontaneous joy when random friends and family pop into the city, because of a work trip for example, and try to meet up. And then proceed to have a deep meaningful conversation in your native language where you get each other's references, figures of speech, jokes, and are generally on the same wavelength. It see…

Not to be pedantic but everything listed here would not be missed in the slightest by those with no desire to see their family or have friends that spontaneously make themselves available to you without prior plans. If you are sufficient in French you will certainly have a better experience than being the American stereotype that arrives without learning to speak for yourself prior to arrival.

I would argue that someone preparing for life in Portugal by learning French is actually perpetuating the stereotype of Americans that you allude to.
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