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Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by scotty79 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #53

>She also wanted her son to have free college tuition in EU nations once the family gains citizenship. As I see it, immigrants from the US have something to do win from this deal: better way of leaving, affordable homes, lower prices, safety, free healthcare, free tuition, citizenship in EU. I wonder what's in it for the Europeans. As it seems, the Portuguese people have to deal with higher home prices, higher food p…

> I wonder what's in it for the Europeans.

Money. That's what Americans are good for. Bringing in money they earned elsewhere.

And that money (while it raises prices) ends up in the hands of local companies, landlords and governments.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by otterley »

DeathArrow wrote: post #54

>Within the mix of retirees, digital nomads and young families fed up with issues including the costs of housing and healthcare, Trumpian politics and pandemic policies, Given that Trump is not the president since a long time and California is the most progressive US state, I'd think that Californians are fleeing progressive politics, not Trumpian politics.

Californians are fleeing high prices, not progressive politics. The progressive politics there have attracted people for decades, so much so that it’s become unaffordable.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by hnhg »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

It’s introducing a class system into migration. One must signal they’re not part of the riffraff.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by teg4n_ »

DeathArrow wrote: post #54

>Within the mix of retirees, digital nomads and young families fed up with issues including the costs of housing and healthcare, Trumpian politics and pandemic policies, Given that Trump is not the president since a long time and California is the most progressive US state, I'd think that Californians are fleeing progressive politics, not Trumpian politics.

Ah yes, fleeing progressive California to a country with with an actual socialist party in charge of the government.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by emteycz »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

That's not true. I know plenty of non-white expats. At least here it's about money, not skin color.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by maa5444 »

scotty79 wrote: post #61
DeathArrow wrote: post #53

>She also wanted her son to have free college tuition in EU nations once the family gains citizenship. As I see it, immigrants from the US have something to do win from this deal: better way of leaving, affordable homes, lower prices, safety, free healthcare, free tuition, citizenship in EU. I wonder what's in it for the Europeans. As it seems, the Portuguese people have to deal with higher home prices, higher food p…

> I wonder what's in it for the Europeans. Money. That's what Americans are good for. Bringing in money they earned elsewhere. And that money (while it raises prices) ends up in the hands of local companies, landlords and governments.

No post body was provided.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by fileeditview »

Kaze404 wrote: post #21
jorl17 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of my friends are very much employed, pretty smart (they'd get a job pretty much anywhere, probably FAANG, too) and they are either out of the country or want to get out. In general, they want higher salaries (like you mentioned), but there also seems to be a clear disdain for most of the portuguese cultural heritage, to be honest. This might be an ecochamber (I'd put money on it being the case) but most people…

> I find it somewhat atrocious how much we like to tell the great stories of how we went and stole, raped, killed and enslaved during the time of the discoveries, all for our own pleasure (and that of our religion). Is that really the general consensus over there? I'm trying to think of a way someone would rationalize decimating entire tribes over wood as a good thing but I'm coming up short.

In my experience people mostly don't really think about these things too deeply. They see it as an epoch where their country was successful, proud, expanding etc. They look at this very superficially and don't think about the harm caused.

I think this becomes more prevalent the poorer/less significant the country is today compared to their great past. It's the "good old times" phenomenon.

Re: Expats are moving to Portugal

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Post by wenc »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #58

I've always loved how migrants become expats when they're white. I had thought it was exclusively a preserve of the British in anywhere in Europe that's sunny, and people who moved to Singapore or Dubai for the money, but hey, welcome to the club, Californians into yoga!

I think expatriate actually has a different shade of meaning from migrant.

Expats are typically people living outside their country on a non-permanent basis (on assignment or some temporary basis), with no intention to permanent emigrate to the country.

Immigrants however are people who move to a country with the intention of settling there permanently.

From the article's description, it sounds like these folks are expats, probably in Portugal on a D7 or Golden Visa (both are temporary visas). Some may elect to apply for citizenship after a period of residency (5 years), in which case they would become immigrants if the choose to remain. I guess some just stay long enough to get an EU passport, and then they buzz off -- then they wouldn't be migrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate

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