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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by DontMindit »

jotm wrote: post #64
grnmamba wrote: post #54

This is the true face of the EU. Anyone who opposes it will be branded as a child molester. Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.

Oh please, that's like saying "you either become rich or kill yourself". Ridiculous. This kind of shit pops up everywhere, not only the EU. I have no idea what tf is driving it, probably the same thing that turned many countries into dictatorships. Human nature, really, but how these assholes always get into power is a mystery to me.

N.VV.0 or whatever name you want to give them. Its world wide, its coming and theres no escape

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #32

The EU is honestly just so awful when it comes to anything relating to technology. The number of insane proposals I’ve seen from them over the years… It’s like they’ve got the worst political takes on tech from each EU country and smushed them together into a big ball of awfulness.

> The EU is honestly just so awful when it comes to anything relating to technology

and yet all the scandals about breaking the privacy of users for profit or worse didn't come from EU.

Maybe they are not that wrong...

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

DontMindit wrote: post #110
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state. If that was true, we would all be worried. Have you ever thought that your paranoia is not proof of anything? Meanwhile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Uni... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie... I am still worried about facts, especially those carried out by agencies working secretively u…

EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions

> EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions

that's frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in my entire life.

Care to explain what's your rationale behind it?

Where's, for example, the European Snowden?

Where's proof of EU spying not only allied leaders, which is already bad enough, but the citizens of the country they work for?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

pc86 wrote: post #45
coldtea wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that was the tradeoff, it would be worth it. This is giving up their privacy for nothing in return, or worse, negative restrictions on their political freedom and freedom of expression.

Speak for yourself. Privacy and freedom are more important than security to many, many people.

Privacy is a form of security though (security for your own thoughts and actions in the own home, and in, on, and near your person). At the very least it is a domain that strongly overlaps with security.

And good security is what gives you the safety to be free.

If you want to sacrifice freedom for security, you might end up putting the cart before the horse.

And of course sacrificing privacy for security is at best balancing 2 different kinds of security. You're not necessarily gaining security.

In this case it means that there's no guarantee that children will actually netto be safer if people can scan private communications.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by DontMindit »

cleandreams wrote: post #24

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We will soon have robot dogs patrolling our streets and barking at us while we scream in anguish out of our windows for food if this becomes law. Any rebellion or resistance will become impossible forever once we cant communicate in private. You do realise this?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by t0bia_s »

usrn wrote: post #52
judge2020 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No reason an XMPP client wouldn't be forced to include this as well. Reminder that iMessage and Signal are encrypted communications but are surely a target of this sort of lawmaking.

With XMPP though you can use a smaller FOSS client on a desktop PC. iMessage and Signal force you to use a recent closed source client on a phone.

Try Molly for Signal on Android.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by fhajl »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #75
grnmamba wrote: post #54

This is the true face of the EU. Anyone who opposes it will be branded as a child molester. Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.

> This is the true face of the EU. Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur? is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth their opinions among their EU peers in Europe because they would be laughed at?

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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by macinjosh »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #75
grnmamba wrote: post #54

This is the true face of the EU. Anyone who opposes it will be branded as a child molester. Even if the parliament rejects this proposal, the next power hungry authoritarian can simply try again, until eventually one parliament will pass it. You can be either in support of total surveillance, or in support of abolishing the EU. There is no middle ground.

> This is the true face of the EU. Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur? is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth their opinions among their EU peers in Europe because they would be laughed at?

It couldn’t possibly be because the EU is incredibly problematic. /s

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by thenaturalist »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #32

The EU is honestly just so awful when it comes to anything relating to technology. The number of insane proposals I’ve seen from them over the years… It’s like they’ve got the worst political takes on tech from each EU country and smushed them together into a big ball of awfulness.

Care to share some details?

When it comes to privacy invasion the EU has been a champion in curbing massively intrusive corporate practices for years now.

Some of it is awful yes, but other high visibility projects have been amazing. I'm glad to be European when I look at the insanity that is the American tracking and personal data brokers industry.

I recommend a recent John Oliver on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqn3gR1WTcA

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

macinjosh wrote: post #118
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the true face of the EU. Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur? is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth their opinions among their EU peers in Europe because they would be laughed at?

It couldn’t possibly be because the EU is incredibly problematic. /s

just, like, everything in this World?

Should we label everything "the true face of" (meaning they are evil) when the representatives of 450 million people lay out some document we don't like?

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