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Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

b-x wrote: post #96
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if they are truthful about their "protecting children" slogan, they would try to solve it as they see fit. legislators are voted by the people, with many different ideas. they aren't a caste disconnected by the rest of the World. especially in EU institutions where is much harder to make a career over lobbying for some local interest. Worst politicians in Europe work in national parliaments. > let them start their…

> they would try to solve it as they see fit. It seems for them the solution is to destroy privacy for the entire population. > Please, don't post simplistic vox populi stuff. Please ask this to the European Commision instead.

> It seems for them the solution is to destroy privacy for the entire population.

a bit of overreaction never fails to double back on poor arguments.

> Please ask this to the European Commision instead.

as a matter of fact I do.

I participate actively.

Do you?

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by dudul »

boredumb wrote: post #4

Now that covid is waning, we're back to 'the kids' in order to allow governments absurd amounts of power over individuals. None of these excuses are put forth in order to further the argument, it's to create a trap for detractors and be able to label them as evil people, killing grandma, hating kids, supporting terror, etc etc.

The irony is that "the kids" is always the primary argument put forward to pass legislations that have little to do with "the kids", while the one time we had to worry about "the kids" and their mental well being, adults just decided to sacrifice them to avoid getting a bad flu.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

grnmamba wrote: post #95
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the true face of the EU. Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur? is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth their opinions among their EU peers in Europe because they would be laughed at?

Is that a rhetorical question? I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state.

> I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state.

If that was true, we would all be worried.

Have you ever thought that your paranoia is not proof of anything?

Meanwhile:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Uni...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...

I am still worried about facts, especially those carried out by agencies working secretively under practically no control by the people, that sometimes also spy on those same people they are sworn to protect.

Anyway, EU is not a State, so EU can't technically build a surveillance State.

EU is not the NSA.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by aasasd »

So Apple's snooping initiative produced exactly the result that was predicted? The article doesn't quite expand on this, but it sounds like the lawmakers and the agency are jolly happy to push their own variant of client-side scanning on everyone.

The whole story with client-side scanning resembles Snowden's description of NSA's workday: people are so used to the idea of surveillance day in and day out that it doesn't occur to them for a second that it might not be appropriate.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by DontMindit »

sharken wrote: post #58
Syonyk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just the brazen "Yeah, privacy and stuff are important, But the Children! " phrasing of it. They're not even trying to pretend it's anything but an excuse anymore.

This is no different from the outrage with Apple and client-side scanning of your device. Yes, we should absolutely do everything we can to protect the children. But losing our privacy is not and can never be an acceptable course of action. There is a frighteningly short distance from giving up privacy due to CSAM, to a full-blown surveillance state.

Ironically this law will put the childrens futures at enormous risk

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

kingcharles wrote: post #35
BlargMcLarg wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you meant this piece with "scanning of conversations": > As mentioned, detecting ‘grooming’ would have a positive impact on the fundamental rights of potential victims especially by contributing to the prevention of abuse; if swift action is taken, it may even prevent a child from suffering harm. At the same time, the detection process is generally speaking the most intrusive one for users (compared to the d…

This is so 1984. Even if this remotely worked, how would they tell between actual minors and adults roleplaying?

> This is so 1984

1984 has never been about this.

It's about the weaknesses of men, that would gladly change a reduction of the chocolate ration into an increase, because it's their job to lie and alter the past, believing they are doing god's work.

Also, in 1984 surveillance is secret, not publicly stated in a formal document visible by everybody.

Better examples of 1984 in action: the DDR, the NSA.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

I get the impression that a lot of police forces are "offense" minded, and they are pushing for these kinds of measures. So they want way to break into systems and intercept communications.

On the other hand civilians are more "defense" minded, because they're not allowed to attack in the first place. So their preferred M.O. is to protect systems and encrypt communications.

A lot of governments apparently don't have as large/as influentual defense minded departments or units, else we wouldn't keep seeing this topic coming back.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by antihero »

dudul wrote: post #102
boredumb wrote: post #4

Now that covid is waning, we're back to 'the kids' in order to allow governments absurd amounts of power over individuals. None of these excuses are put forth in order to further the argument, it's to create a trap for detractors and be able to label them as evil people, killing grandma, hating kids, supporting terror, etc etc.

The irony is that "the kids" is always the primary argument put forward to pass legislations that have little to do with "the kids", while the one time we had to worry about "the kids" and their mental well being, adults just decided to sacrifice them to avoid getting a bad flu.

Ah yes, love to remember that time the EU tried to break encryption to make people wear masks.

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by throwaway67743 »

alaricus wrote: post #13

"Protecting kids" is a load of nonsense. It's just a convenient excuse and sounds much better than "we want to read your private stuff".

The only people really thinking of the children are the ones not bound by said law and will not be interfered with...

(In case it's to subtle, the actual child abusers or consumers of said content)

Re: European Commission prefers breaking privacy to protecting kids

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Post by DontMindit »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #103
grnmamba wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that a rhetorical question? I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state.

> I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state. If that was true, we would all be worried. Have you ever thought that your paranoia is not proof of anything? Meanwhile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Uni... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie... I am still worried about facts, especially those carried out by agencies working secretively u…

EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions
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