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Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I've always said the reason we don't have flying cars yet is because people can't drive in 2D much less 3D. This gives me hope.

The real reason is that no one wants thousands of flying cars buzzing everywhere over a city.

Buzzing should emphasize the loud freaking noise these things would create landing, taking off, and flying at low altitude. Annoying to say the least. What we don't need more of is noise pollution.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Genuine question, is my experience playing Microsoft flight simulator any use in being able to answer those questions, because it certainly feels like I can say something sensible about them.

Pilot here: It could help with some familiarity but generally in MSFS you can get away with ignoring the gauges and just mess around. The tutorial might gloss over some of it. Having an unbelievable number of hours in MSFS when I was a kid ... landing a real plane is considerably harder and a ton of instruction time is just focused on getting you to land reliably. I finished my PPL in just over 40hrs which is close t…

Both your comments were "dead", you could maybe mail HN to have your account set to not be shadow banned.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Pilot here. I'm floored that a person with no flying experience could put this airplane down without a scratch. Air traffic controllers are not necessarily pilots, but luckily, this one was a pilot and certified instructor. ATC and passenger worked through a stressful situation to produce an amazing outcome. Bravo!

I had flight lessons, and after a few hours of training (most of which were unrelated to landing), I was able to land on a short runway, about 2000 feet long. Landing on a long runway (10001 feet / 3048 meters [1]) as was done here is much easier, as long as the plane doesn't malfunction and visibility is good. So I'm not that surprised that some people would be able to do this given good instructions over the radio…

Same, I'd hate to see a novice try to land on a narrow 2000' runway hemmed in by tall trees and a "snotty" 7+ kt crosswind component pushing the plane around.

Lucky they were in Florida with working radios and gas in the tank to reach an accommodating runway. None of that should detract from the emergency pilot's excellent handling of the situation though—bravo!

[edit] Apparently there was a significant crosswind:

  KPBI 101553Z 02011G17KT 10SM SCT042 SCT046 26/15
Even more impressive then!

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I wonder about DCS "study sims" of combat jets. No, no, I'm not saying one could actually be a fighter pilot just by flying DCS F-18. But I wonder about the realism. It seems every single knob and button and thingy on the cockpit is clickable. Every subsystem is simulated. The manual is reportedly huge (I don't own it, just watched videos on YouTube). With such a realistic flightsim, TrackIR, a HOTAS setup, and all t…

The biggest issue is that the physical simulation is still pretty rough in modern games particularly when considering stalls and other "out of true" flight dynamics dealing with turbulent flows. Which is quite important for landing and take-off. Likewise whilst flight models are aiming for accuracy they're still full of fudges, guesses for missing data and mistakes so I'd take any correspondence to real aircraft with…

That, plus the lack of full sensual inputs (G-forces, turbulence, vestibular experiences, the full outside view) makes it quite a bit of a lesser experience than the real thing.

There's a reason you don't need much equipment for a procedural flight simulator, as opposed to one that can replicate actual flight.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I bet this was a guy raised on video games. I was about to make a joke about it but I'm actually serious. Once I, a former Houstonian with no experience driving on ice, was driving through the snowy mountains and lost control of my car. Instead of panicking, my video-game-induced laser focus kicked in and I calmly piloted the car until the wheels gained traction and I could park the car on the side of the road. But l…

As someone who beat Pilotwings on the SNES, I think I could fly a plane. But I would probably crash on the landing and make Big Al very sad :(

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I had flight lessons, and after a few hours of training (most of which were unrelated to landing), I was able to land on a short runway, about 2000 feet long. Landing on a long runway (10001 feet / 3048 meters [1]) as was done here is much easier, as long as the plane doesn't malfunction and visibility is good. So I'm not that surprised that some people would be able to do this given good instructions over the radio…

Same, I'd hate to see a novice try to land on a narrow 2000' runway hemmed in by tall trees and a "snotty" 7+ kt crosswind component pushing the plane around. Lucky they were in Florida with working radios and gas in the tank to reach an accommodating runway. None of that should detract from the emergency pilot's excellent handling of the situation though—bravo! [edit] Apparently there was a significant crosswind: KP…

Yes, to be clear I'm not saying that anyone would be able to do this, just keeping cool enough to do anything decent (including talking on the radio) was already a huge achievement.

My point was just that this is feasible a lot of the time with some good radio help .

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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However, he crashed every plane he flew.

As the adage goes, "any aircraft landing you can walk away from is a good landing" and "any landing where you can still use the aircraft is a great landing."

Current air traffic consists of a lot of extremely unremarkable great landings then :)

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Decently sized plane was stolen, did many loops, and flew around just fine for more than an hour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Horizon_Air_Q400_incident All by a guy with zero flight experience but also credited playing video games

Bit of a tribute video (there are many about "skyking") with some video clips and atc audio. https://tv.gab.com/channel/fosco/view/fly-high-skyking-61130...

Man that website is full of awful, awful content

edit: lmao you're the CTO. cool site bro

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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> If there's a manual up there, then maybe that will have info? Many (most?) airlines have abandoned printed manuals and paperwork in cockpits and have switched to tablets - often iPads - for weight considerations and because they are easier to just keep updated, and those are usually non-accessible to random passengers. Notable exception are emergency checklists.

All planes are required to have the original POH onboard. However those don't really tell you how to fly the plane it's more focused on things like Vspeeds minimum flap extension speeds etc..

That varies based on the certification rules. My older 182 only had to have the operating limitations and weight and balance info (“O+W” in ARROW), but they did not have to be original.

My later year A36, I believe needs the original AFM/POH. (In any case, I do carry it.)

If you didn’t know how to fly, you couldn’t read enough of the book to figure it out before the aircraft departed controlled flight (if not on at least a wing-leveler autopilot).

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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It seems reasonable that if someone is in a two person cessna they probably have some additional flight exposure, right? I wouldn't know anything about most of that stuff... but I could probably figure out some of it in the moment just because of my technical bent. A lot of my founder friends are pilots, and were able to adapt pretty quickly... so maybe it's one of those things?

We're all ignoring the possibility that the pilot gave him the, "Now if I become incapacitated," speech before taking off.

The handful of times I've been up with private pilots who took me in their cessna, I did get an if I become incapacitated speech where they showed me how to operate the radios how to squawk 7700 and how to keep the plane level before we even took off.
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