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Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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In a multi-car pileup, the car immediately in front of you literally stops in an instant, much faster than if it were to fully hit the brakes. It's much faster than any driver could realistically expect. It can happen so fast, you may not even see brake lights turn on. It's why these pileups can get so surprisingly large.

Just to quantify this, the shortest 60-0 stopping distance for a "consumer-grade" car (meaning not a formula one vehicle) is the Porsche 911, which can do it in 27m. This is nearly 6 vehicle lengths. Usual safety guidelines are to stay about 3 car lengths behind whoever you're following, so even world's greatest brakes are not gonna save you if the vehicle in front stops in 0m because it hits an immovable pile of alr…

> Usual safety guidelines are to stay about 3 car lengths behind whoever you're following

No, safety guidelines are to follow 3 SECONDS behind the car in front, which is about 100m at 70mph.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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"Moore is suspected of being responsible for approximately 100 thefts in Washington, Idaho, and Canada, including bicycles, automobiles, light aircraft , and speedboats.[15] It is believed that he learned how to fly small planes by reading aircraft manuals, handbooks, watching a "How to fly a small airplane" DVD, and playing flight simulator computer games .[17] One plane he stole was a Cessna 182, FAA registration n…

However, he crashed every plane he flew.

As the adage goes, "any aircraft landing you can walk away from is a good landing" and "any landing where you can still use the aircraft is a great landing."

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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In a multi-car pileup, the car immediately in front of you literally stops in an instant, much faster than if it were to fully hit the brakes. It's much faster than any driver could realistically expect. It can happen so fast, you may not even see brake lights turn on. It's why these pileups can get so surprisingly large.

Just to quantify this, the shortest 60-0 stopping distance for a "consumer-grade" car (meaning not a formula one vehicle) is the Porsche 911, which can do it in 27m. This is nearly 6 vehicle lengths. Usual safety guidelines are to stay about 3 car lengths behind whoever you're following, so even world's greatest brakes are not gonna save you if the vehicle in front stops in 0m because it hits an immovable pile of alr…

Please point me to the safety guidelines that say to keep 3 car lengths behind on the highway!

The most common guideline I've heard is the two-second (or sometimes, three-second) rule; that's roughly 54m at 60mph, assuming two seconds.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Video game experience is absolutely better than no experience. On small general aviation planes, the feature set is quite minimal and most simulators will replicate all of it faithfully enough, so the only remaining thing is the “feel” of the plane which you can hopefully experience a bit during flight before landing. In contrast, a big passenger jet has insane amounts of different systems that need to be configured…

I wonder about DCS "study sims" of combat jets. No, no, I'm not saying one could actually be a fighter pilot just by flying DCS F-18. But I wonder about the realism. It seems every single knob and button and thingy on the cockpit is clickable. Every subsystem is simulated. The manual is reportedly huge (I don't own it, just watched videos on YouTube). With such a realistic flightsim, TrackIR, a HOTAS setup, and all t…

The biggest issue is that the physical simulation is still pretty rough in modern games particularly when considering stalls and other "out of true" flight dynamics dealing with turbulent flows. Which is quite important for landing and take-off. Likewise whilst flight models are aiming for accuracy they're still full of fudges, guesses for missing data and mistakes so I'd take any correspondence to real aircraft with a massive grain of salt.

You will probably be able to turn all the systems on in an aircraft of the right vintage though.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Video game experience is absolutely better than no experience. On small general aviation planes, the feature set is quite minimal and most simulators will replicate all of it faithfully enough, so the only remaining thing is the “feel” of the plane which you can hopefully experience a bit during flight before landing. In contrast, a big passenger jet has insane amounts of different systems that need to be configured…

Decently sized plane was stolen, did many loops, and flew around just fine for more than an hour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Horizon_Air_Q400_incident All by a guy with zero flight experience but also credited playing video games

Bit of a caveat on that one, though:

>About 1 hour and 15 minutes after takeoff, Russell died by intentionally crashing the aircraft on lightly populated Ketron Island in Puget Sound.

I suppose it may not count if it was an intentional crash, but who knows if he would've landed it safely if he didn't want to crash it.

Pretty interesting that he managed to pull off maneuvers like that without having any experience flying:

>Near the end of the flight, the aircraft was seen performing a barrel roll over Puget Sound, recovering a mere ten feet (three meters) over the water. A veteran pilot said the maneuver "seemed pretty well executed, without either stalling or pulling the wings off."

>[Horizon Air CEO Gary Beck] said the aerial maneuvers were "incredible" and that he "did not know how [Russell] achieved the experience that he did." During his conversation with air traffic control, Russell said he "[knew] what [he was] doing a little bit" because he had experience playing video games.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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That is why you should always leave enough space in front of you so that you can react and safely come to a stop if the car in front were to suddenly hit a pileup.

Right. Other people will see the gap and will insert themselves in it. What then? I try to keep a healthy distance, but I've never been able to reserve enough distance to account the car in front of me hitting a brick wall.

Then I just maintain the gap to account for them. I have never been unable to do this. It does mean sometimes I drive 1-2 kph slower than the average speed.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I've always said the reason we don't have flying cars yet is because people can't drive in 2D much less 3D. This gives me hope.

Isn’t 3D easier? There sure is a lot more room.

The more axis you have to account for, the more complicated it gets.

Go play a car simulation game. Done? Now go play Descent and tell us if it's any easier.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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I bet this was a guy raised on video games. I was about to make a joke about it but I'm actually serious. Once I, a former Houstonian with no experience driving on ice, was driving through the snowy mountains and lost control of my car. Instead of panicking, my video-game-induced laser focus kicked in and I calmly piloted the car until the wheels gained traction and I could park the car on the side of the road. But l…

"Moore is suspected of being responsible for approximately 100 thefts in Washington, Idaho, and Canada, including bicycles, automobiles, light aircraft , and speedboats.[15] It is believed that he learned how to fly small planes by reading aircraft manuals, handbooks, watching a "How to fly a small airplane" DVD, and playing flight simulator computer games .[17] One plane he stole was a Cessna 182, FAA registration n…

Taking off isn't hard, an airplane will take off on its own. It'll fly straight and level if you simply let go of the controls. It's the landing that's hard, and Moore would crash every time he landed.
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