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Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by FireBeyond » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:12 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #230

phailhaus wrote: post #215

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Which group is that? Can you name them? Who is their leader? Trump told the Proud Boys specifically to "stand back and stand by". They are an armed group. You are equating the Proud Boys with the amorphous "LGBTQ+ friends" community, and then saying that the latter "regularly riot". That's not tenable. I think you are deliberately engaging in bad-faith arguments. You are literally saying "gay people are the same as o…

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Weird. Members of The Proud Boys (in fact, people they publicly list as their leadership) have been arrested multiple times in my town for drawing weapons (paintbull guns, pepper spray, baseball bats, guns) at protests, firing shots at protests, shooting people at protests.

Don't go on about Antifa as some armed organized group and act like the Proud Boys are "just a bunch of friends disappointed in the direction of society" or some shit. Like you say, "that's not even remotely close to being factual".

The Proud Boys literally have an entire section on their website showing them violently attacking people: https://proudboyspnw.com/fafo/

Sources: https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/520702-416146-portland-proud-boy...

Some more: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/01/proud-boy-tusitala-...

https://proudboyspnw.com/chapters/ - you're right, absolutely not organized, whatsoever.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by aceazzameen » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:13 PM UTC

MrMan wrote: post #193

aceazzameen wrote: post #127

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No, he's not silenced. He has a newsletter. But he isn't amplified to the heights that he was before either, and less likely to attract new followers. No one's reporting his newsletters. I'm not looking forward to seeing responses to Trump tweets across social and news media when he returns. There was no escaping it then. The guy adores the limelight from daily controversies and he's going to capitalize on it again.

he has a very well funded social media platform of his own 1

Right, as a bubble only.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by notreallyserio » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #230

phailhaus wrote: post #215

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Which group is that? Can you name them? Who is their leader? Trump told the Proud Boys specifically to "stand back and stand by". They are an armed group. You are equating the Proud Boys with the amorphous "LGBTQ+ friends" community, and then saying that the latter "regularly riot". That's not tenable. I think you are deliberately engaging in bad-faith arguments. You are literally saying "gay people are the same as o…

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Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by FormerBandmate » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:15 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #207

dnissley wrote: post #175

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The example I always use here as someone who grew up in the 90s is that having an openly gay character on network tv used to be extremely controversial at best and politically untenable at worst.

Except the side who are "free speech absolutists" are worried about those gay characters kissing in "She-Ra" remake or various Disney+ cartoons where men kiss, and want that stuff censored off the airs. And then want to ban the book "Maus", etc. etc.

Maybe phony Republicans who don't actually believe what they say are. Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey are many things, but they are not that

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by cityofdelusion » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:15 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #184

chmod600 wrote: post #158

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"The women of his country already saw what one term of Trump did to the rights they thought they had." I see very little connection between anything that might be deemed "unacceptable" speech by Trump and the imminent overturn of Roe . Other than the fact that he got elected.

That's kind of how it works, though, innit: wannabe autocrat demagogue gets a bullhorn, uses it to leverage power via populist rhetoric, then shoves activist justices onto the bench — who, surprise, do their activist thing... That's the "very little connection" you're missing.

"Activist" is not a charitable description of any of the justices. It is widely accepted that _Roe_ was on unstable legal grounding, at best.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by xdennis » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:15 PM UTC

netsec_burn wrote: post #226

dhzhzjsbevs wrote: post #209

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When did trump incite violence? That sounds like a crime. Why wasn't he charged? Maybe you're confused? Anyhoo, what's that got to do with twitter? Since when did they become the police?

The crime was inciting an insurrection. The president was not charged due to partisan politics, no president has ever actually been voted out by the Senate of their own party (correct me if I'm wrong), but historically this has been the most votes received from their party. It's recommended to understand both the background and the event on January 6th to get a clear picture, including attempts to overturn the electi…

> You cannot let your users plot crimes.

You can easily find tweets calling for trump and republicans to be killed on twitter from years ago and nobody bothered to ban those people so your statement rings hollow.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by FormerBandmate » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #184

chmod600 wrote: post #158

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"The women of his country already saw what one term of Trump did to the rights they thought they had." I see very little connection between anything that might be deemed "unacceptable" speech by Trump and the imminent overturn of Roe . Other than the fact that he got elected.

That's kind of how it works, though, innit: wannabe autocrat demagogue gets a bullhorn, uses it to leverage power via populist rhetoric, then shoves activist justices onto the bench — who, surprise, do their activist thing... That's the "very little connection" you're missing.

Those judges were all Bushites (see their backgrounds and how they didn't help Trump steal 2020). Trump was the most pro-choice Republican in a while, he just didn't care at all about the Supreme Court and outsourced it to the very pro-life Republican establishment. If Jeb or Romney had won in 2016 this would have probably happened earlier

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by _-david-_ » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #184

chmod600 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The women of his country already saw what one term of Trump did to the rights they thought they had." I see very little connection between anything that might be deemed "unacceptable" speech by Trump and the imminent overturn of Roe . Other than the fact that he got elected.

That's kind of how it works, though, innit: wannabe autocrat demagogue gets a bullhorn, uses it to leverage power via populist rhetoric, then shoves activist justices onto the bench — who, surprise, do their activist thing... That's the "very little connection" you're missing.

Even RGB said that Roe vs Wade was on questionable constitutional grounds. Calling them activists is pretty ridiculous.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by dragonwriter » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

louky wrote: post #227

bogantech wrote: post #222

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> don't ask, don't tell, which was only repealed roughly a decade ago. These speech restrictions were all being pushed by the American GOP Wasn't DADT instituted by the Clinton administration?

And Music censoring was Tipper Gore (Al Gore's wife).

Parents’ Music Resource Center had four founders, the other one who was a wife of a federal official was Susan Baker, wife of Bush’s then-Treasury Secretary James A. Baker III.

Re: Jack Dorsey says he agrees with reversing Trump's Twitter ban

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Post by xdennis » Wed, May 11, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

dncornholio wrote: post #12

belter wrote: post #3

Official company statement at the time: "Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump": https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio... Jack Dorsey at the time: "Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey Calls Trump Ban After Deadly Riot 'the Right Decision'": https://people.com/politics/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-addresse...

People can't change mind?

Especially when the facts turn out to be faked. Only one person died at the riot: a woman protestor who was shot by an African American cop. Only later, one person later died from overdosing on drugs and 3 died of natural causes. If we wait 100 years the casualty list will grow to 100%.