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By that logic, no one pays taxes except consumers.
Isn't this basically the case at the end of the day? Just about everything seems to eventually get passed on to the consumer.
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> I am too ill to work anymore, so I drove to my son's house and took $200 off his counter to buy my medication Maybe it is because we come from different cultures, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. In fact, I recently paid for my parent's hospital bills and did it happily. My country doesn't have universal healthcare, but I'll be happy if we did. At the end of the day, we live in a society, and one of th…
>In fact, I recently paid for my parent's hospital bills and did it happily. Yes and I recently paid thousands of dollars for my wife's hospital bill, would you like a cookie? That's how it's supposed to work: you voluntarily decide to help your loved ones and the payment is made. How it isn't supposed to work is that the elderly make a moral judgement that the youth are less deserving of investment than themselves,…
Well, different priorities, and that’s fine.
But, let’s assume in a democracy, the majority of people decide to vote for free hookers and blow for everyone, why not :)
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The funny thing here is that your obviously anti-social behaviour only works in a society where being anti-social has been normalized. You'd be dead in a social society because as a lone, greedy individual, you're weaker than a group where the strong care for the weak. But even you must be aware that your model is coming to an end. The anti-social aspects of it have become a topic. Something which hasn't been the cas…
You're either trolling or completely clueless. I suspect the former is more likely but I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt. > You'd be dead in a social society because as a lone, greedy individual … You're obviously reading way more into my comment than I actually wrote, which says more about you than me. I am 100% in support of groups working together voluntarily and looking out for each other. The system…
Wrote the person who just repeated some random Ayn Rand bull. Seriously? You are accusing me of trolling? With that material? :D
> I am 100% in support of groups working together voluntarily and looking out for each other. The system you advocated for is not that, and opposing it does not make one "lone" or "greedy".
I wonder if you are really so naive or if you got so used to repeating that as an excuse. If we'd live in a society where voluntary donations would suffice, we'd not need laws or regulations.
> Imposing a "choice" of compulsory payments or eviction is not the strong caring for the weak, but rather the strong preying upon the weak.
You must be from the US where there are two parties and you can buy into a political position form the national to county level. In other parts of the world, there is still democracy and yes, none of those are perfect but if you consider any serious statistics on where people are most happy, it's those (really) democratic countries with a wide ranging social system [0]. So please...spare me that Atlas Shrugged Fan Fiction...
> Civilized society persists despite taxes, not because of them. Theft is not civilized, and treating it as legitimate is corrosive to any civilized society.
Oh so taxes are theft now? And you accuse me of unworthy comments? This is hilarious.
> Obviously they aren't supposed to just die. That question was not asked in good faith.
Nothing...seriously not a single sentence you've issued here is something someone with a healthy moral compass would consider "in good faith". Your answer here is literally: they should have a go fund me to save their lifes...I mean...lol...I don't even know how to answer to so much crap. I really hope I'm talking to a child because I have worked in some really terrible Fortue companies and I haven't met anyone who'd fall so deep down the "Wolf of Wallstreet"-LARP.
Edit: ok, I've had to look you up and it wasn't that hard because you 'muricans have no sense of data protection (or any laws for that) and hell, where do you even get those ideas from? You are some random tech guy and an aerospace company with a career which didn't even touch areas where this kind of talk would be something to come close to. Who the hell do you think you are? Some random financial crisis would throw you onto the street. Who do you think will make a go fund me for you? Your colleagues? You probably even vote for the red party...I don't even...
[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2022/03/18/ran...
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NY's property taxes are among the highest in the nation (top 10).
Spot check, here's a ~1M apartment in NYC, vs a ~1M house in New Hampshire: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/41-W-72nd-St-APT-8C-New-Y... https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/491-Marcy-St-Portsmouth-N... Property taxes on the NYC place are estimated by Zillow at 715/month, while NH place is 1445/month. NH has no income tax.
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>In fact, I recently paid for my parent's hospital bills and did it happily. Yes and I recently paid thousands of dollars for my wife's hospital bill, would you like a cookie? That's how it's supposed to work: you voluntarily decide to help your loved ones and the payment is made. How it isn't supposed to work is that the elderly make a moral judgement that the youth are less deserving of investment than themselves,…
> Maybe I think hookers should be a priority; sex is correlated with good health. You wouldn't mind if I took a couple hundred from you for my health would you? Well, different priorities, and that’s fine. But, let’s assume in a democracy, the majority of people decide to vote for free hookers and blow for everyone, why not :)
Majority of _what_ people. The majority of people within my square mile? This continent? The majority of people in my house? I merely reduce down 'democracy' to its logical smallest element, the individual. I vote what I will spend my earnings on, and as the only voter my vote wins. Of course, my vote has no effect on obligation of others, as they are not part of my own 'democracy.'
Very few people want a pure democracy. Pure democracy is 5 people in a house, and 4 vote to beat the shit out of the fifth. Pure democracy is when 60% whites vote to make blacks their slaves. Pure democracy is voting to intern the Japanese in camps.
Voting is fine, involuntary extraction of resources from others is not.
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You're either trolling or completely clueless. I suspect the former is more likely but I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt. > You'd be dead in a social society because as a lone, greedy individual … You're obviously reading way more into my comment than I actually wrote, which says more about you than me. I am 100% in support of groups working together voluntarily and looking out for each other. The system…
> You're either trolling or completely clueless. I suspect the former is more likely but I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt. Wrote the person who just repeated some random Ayn Rand bull. Seriously? You are accusing me of trolling? With that material? :D > I am 100% in support of groups working together voluntarily and looking out for each other. The system you advocated for is not that, and opposing it doe…
And here the true colors emerge. You pretend to care about supporting others, but you take the first opportunity to denigrate someone for your perception that they are not rich enough to weather a storm.
No one here has shit-talked you because of your finances. No one here has lambasted you because of your occupation or station in life. No one here has accused you of wanting compulsory social securities, or not wanting them, on account of your occupation or finances.
>You are some random tech guy and an aerospace company with a career which didn't even touch areas where this kind of talk would be something to come close to
And what? Does one have to have special qualifications to comment on the topic of how their own earnings are to be spent?
>You probably even vote for the red party
You go on about democratic ideals, yet you criticize someone for engaging their civil liberties to vote in that system?
Disgusting.
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This is how it worked in canada. Saskatchewan decided they wanted single payer health care so they did it. About a decade later the federal gov made it national.
...and why combined tax rates for the middle class are around 50%. As someone who's lived in the Canadian health care system and the US system - it is absolutely lower quality than what average private employer healthcare plan provides in the US. Even before covid, Quebec's healthcare system was in crisis with packed ERs having dozens of neglected patients on beds in the hallways for weeks... GP access is impossible…
I think you are confusing middle class and 1%.
Stats canada says middle class is $45,000 to $120,000. That is a marginal tax rate of about 30% depending on what province and where in that range you fall (quebec is closer to 40%). https://www.mackenzieinvestments.com/en/services/tax-and-est...
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> You're either trolling or completely clueless. I suspect the former is more likely but I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt. Wrote the person who just repeated some random Ayn Rand bull. Seriously? You are accusing me of trolling? With that material? :D > I am 100% in support of groups working together voluntarily and looking out for each other. The system you advocated for is not that, and opposing it doe…
>Who the hell do you think you are? Some random financial crisis would throw you onto the street. And here the true colors emerge. You pretend to care about supporting others, but you take the first opportunity to denigrate someone for your perception that they are not rich enough to weather a storm. No one here has shit-talked you because of your finances. No one here has lambasted you because of your occupation or…
No, that's what you want to read because what I actually wrote would hurt your world view too much. That's why I repeat it again: THE SYSTEM AND IDEOLOGY YOU LOVE WOULD CRUSH YOU.
> No one here has shit-talked you because of your finances...[yahda no you yahda]
So now that I used your own world view on yourself, you're hurt so much that you not only drop the whole topic but roll on the floor crying? Already? Look at you how desperately you try to twist my simple words so it somehow might make you look better. Look how weak you are. Your personal crisis in your own world didn't even start and you're broken already. Look how easy it was. And you think you can survive in this evil and anti-social society you cherish so much if you hit a true bump?
Pathetic.
Luckily in true democratic and social systems there would even be a space for a broken and weak person like you who had a bad luck, lost his job or health. A whole nation would come to help you out with everyone giving a bit of their wealth. Lucky for you, you can move to one of those countries since the one you're in now will kick your ass if you fall and if you open your eyes on your way home in a few hours, you might see those victims of your greedy and selfish vision. Victims without gofundmes who will die in poverty without you giving a damn. Even though it could easily be you.
Think about it.
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> Seattle and Austin are totally comparable, even preferable, to NYC and SF in many ways. I'm sure we can find ways, Seattle and Austin are wonderful places, and what makes NYC and SF special doesn't appeal to everyone. But really Seattle and Austin are not even close. There's a reason NYC and SF have been centers of culture and business for generations; there's a reason that demand is so high that housing costs are…
Sure NYC has certain desirable aspects. Seattle has a different set (e.g. way better nature). The point isn’t to compare the cities to find the absolute best. Rather, the question is whether or not the benefits of certain cities or worth the cost. For high earners, the cost of living in NYC is hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars per year. For some percentage of people that cost is simply not worth it an…
No, it's just not framing the entire economic question around taxes. There are many, many other factors. You can live in places with no taxes at all, but people don't choose to.
> the cost of living in NYC is hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars per year. For some percentage of people that cost is simply not worth it and they move
They've already moved in that case, but the demand for NYC is enormous.
> For high earners,
Who do you think lives in NYC?
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Isn't this basically the case at the end of the day? Just about everything seems to eventually get passed on to the consumer.
Would you say my employer pays my income tax, since they're the ones giving me money?