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Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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post #7

Everyone is also missing the bigger point that Google's idea of a valid real name is incredibly north american and anglo centric. There are plenty of cases of people using their real names, be in European, or African or what ever and google still kicking them off. Google's policies do not work, and are verging on racist. I know some people who would be better off using a fake anglo name than their real name to keep u…

Do you have some examples of the cases you refer to?

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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post #8

I've been using Google pretty regularly for the past 11 years, and have had a gmail account since soon after it was announced. However with the release of Plus and the revelation of their policies on "real names", I've come to realize that I no longer trust google. Gmail accounts can be effectively anonymous. Yet plus accounts cannot be? Google does not need anyone's real name in order to track and advertise to them.…

I think removing yourself from Google is a mistake. It will give anyone with malevolent intentions the opportunity to remake your account with the same name, pictures and possibly misrepresent you. A better way to boycott them is to maintain a static account. Simply take ownership of your identity but not give them any personal data about yourself or your friends. There's nothing they hate more than a user who doesn't +1.

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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Great. Another opinionated post with no substance that reaches number one. What is this garbage? It's not like this person even has any first-hand knowledge of anything with regards to the cited excerpt. Why would anyone upvote such a short, speculative rant?

I think it's still a reasonable "BS" call. If you support pseudonyms, you stop kicking them off.

That doesn't take first-hand knowledge to notice.

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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post #31
post #7

Everyone is also missing the bigger point that Google's idea of a valid real name is incredibly north american and anglo centric. There are plenty of cases of people using their real names, be in European, or African or what ever and google still kicking them off. Google's policies do not work, and are verging on racist. I know some people who would be better off using a fake anglo name than their real name to keep u…

Do you have some examples of the cases you refer to?

Lennart Poettering pops to mind: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/google-doesnt-like-my-name....

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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post #31
post #7

Everyone is also missing the bigger point that Google's idea of a valid real name is incredibly north american and anglo centric. There are plenty of cases of people using their real names, be in European, or African or what ever and google still kicking them off. Google's policies do not work, and are verging on racist. I know some people who would be better off using a fake anglo name than their real name to keep u…

Do you have some examples of the cases you refer to?

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Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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post #7

Everyone is also missing the bigger point that Google's idea of a valid real name is incredibly north american and anglo centric. There are plenty of cases of people using their real names, be in European, or African or what ever and google still kicking them off. Google's policies do not work, and are verging on racist. I know some people who would be better off using a fake anglo name than their real name to keep u…

I don't know. I think it's two different issues. One is an issue of policy the other is an issue of incompetence in implementing a policy.

It's a policy that's nearly impossible to implement well on a global scale, though, at which point I think that blaming the policy is appropriate.

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

#37
post #25

Wow, what a blast of fresh air, reading this. I miss the old Internet, when Aunt Sally still couldn't figure it out and certainly would be horrified to find her birthday party photos posted on it, much less would she even conceive of going and posting them herself under her real name . Why does online marketing have to be built around maintenance of a database of people's Real Identities® ? If it's a page full of com…

Unfortunately they are going against the famously unethical and privacy-eroding facebook, which has a real-names policy and the bans to show for it (also, NSA alumni on the board). And besides “the competitor already does it”, here is what Google's reasoning may be:

Requiring your real name makes it easier for people you know in real life to find you.

Interactions with people who know you in real life will keep pulling you back in, because these people are harder for you to ignore.

Once you give your real name and the rest of your identity (they have been badgering for phone numbers for a while, to keep your youtube account, or open a google account, or to avoid annoying security/recovery notices when logging to gmail), you won't be asking yourself “should I be sharing this” questions, because you'll be in the habit of trusting them. Other features, like payments, deliveries and phone notifications, won't have to nag you for explicit personal info anymore.

So I think they will offer temporary or per-circle identities at most, while people who want privacy from Google or the US and affiliates will have to fake it while it remains possible, or be shown the door.

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

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post #31
post #7

Everyone is also missing the bigger point that Google's idea of a valid real name is incredibly north american and anglo centric. There are plenty of cases of people using their real names, be in European, or African or what ever and google still kicking them off. Google's policies do not work, and are verging on racist. I know some people who would be better off using a fake anglo name than their real name to keep u…

Do you have some examples of the cases you refer to?

Well, it seems that Google thinks "Poettering" must be a made up last name. Guess whatever they er, googled doesn't know who wrote that avahi code they're surely running.

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/google-doesnt-like-my-name....

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

#39
post #7

Everyone is also missing the bigger point that Google's idea of a valid real name is incredibly north american and anglo centric. There are plenty of cases of people using their real names, be in European, or African or what ever and google still kicking them off. Google's policies do not work, and are verging on racist. I know some people who would be better off using a fake anglo name than their real name to keep u…

Great point -- although not everybody's missing it; it's gotten press in Australia (where Aboriginal names violate the policy), Hong Kong (where bloggers have complained about the ban on using both their English and Chinese names), and even in the US after Google suspended their own employee Ping.

Re: Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

#40

Great. Another opinionated post with no substance that reaches number one. What is this garbage? It's not like this person even has any first-hand knowledge of anything with regards to the cited excerpt. Why would anyone upvote such a short, speculative rant?

I think it's still a reasonable "BS" call. If you support pseudonyms, you stop kicking them off. That doesn't take first-hand knowledge to notice.

So is it common knowledge when they kick someone off for using them? Did it happen after this announcement? Etc... All this article does is speculate on what Google will do in the next couple months... how is it even relevant?
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