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No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by lupire »

tinco wrote: post #170
zmgsabst wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely don’t understand why Google got it right with Circles, realizing we have different orthogonal interests… but all my YouTube subscriptions go in a giant pile, as if advanced math, news, and rap videos are fungible content. I want some ability to create sets of channels with a focus and only access that when I want to. I think the problem is that YouTube has always been a manipulative and exploitative platf…

It's a problem with evidence based product design. It's in almost all big products nowadays. The way Google axes products, the way Netflix axes series, the way Facebook populates the timeline. They're throwing away the intrinsic value of the product, for positive graphics in their monthly user engagement presentations. Facebook's user engagement is probably higher than it ever was. I have a friend who's one of those…

Apple's model leads to computer with keyboards whose keys fall off, because they design for surface-lecel appeal and disregard customer desires for the product.

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Post by asddubs »

rasz wrote: post #305
asddubs wrote: post #37

get the extension "BlockTube" and block any channel that does this. after a while your feed will get noticably better. People are saying not to click but IMO it doesn't work that well. I make a point of never clicking on any video title like that, and still kept getting flooded My favorite pattern is saying "THIS" and withholding what exactly the video is about - once I saw it used twice in a title and it just cracke…

TheSoul Publishing (russian disinformation platform masquerading as 5 minute craft life hacks) employs over 2100 people and has over 100 channels. and thats just one of the garbage manufacturers on YT.

You don't have to block every bad channel that exists, only the ones that get recommended to you. And youtube tends to be quite stubborn with channels it recommends, so even just blocking a few can go a long way. But of course over time you also amass a bigger list, which covers a wider range of channels.

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Post by smaryjerry »

ars wrote: post #308
smaryjerry wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not interested button is a placeabo type button, completely useless, isn’t it? Do you know how many hundreds of times I’ve not interested late night talk show hosts with no stop to their constant recommendation in my feed.

The only way to dislike those videos is to click them. If you click them it means you like that topic. If you actually don't want then then don't click them in the first place and in about a month they will stop showing up.

I think you assume the algorithm is working where I feel the opposite.

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Post by AlwaysRock »

jmyeet wrote: post #184

The only explanation for getting rid of dislike count that makes sense to me is to make big brands happy as their videos can't be made to look bad with a high dislike count and they can't be "dislike bombed" for things that may be unrelated to the content (eg the recent Activision-Blizzard scandals). Why? Because in every other way (and every way for the viewer), this makes Youtube worse. So it's a hell of a price to…

> big brands

re Youtube itself. Their infamous will smith "now thats hot" rewind video was the most disliked video of all time at one point.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Post by tikiman163 »

Click bait has been a problem for way longer than the dislike stats being hidden. Also, the algorithm still takes dislikes into account, and it's still easy to dislike content. The problem is that click bait works and when your average person falls for it, they don't hit the dislike or report buttons, they just click away after watching just slightly more of the video than was necessary to identify it as click bait. As far as the algorithm can tell, they enjoyed most of the video, so it ends up getting recommended. Veritasium has a particularly good video on this exact topic, and the honest solution isn't bringing back the ability to see dislike stats, it's that legitimate videos need to stop using boring thumbnails and video titles. Nobody clicks on them, so regardless of likes/dislikes ratio they will never get promoted.

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Post by fumblebee »

Every comment I've witnessed on this matter suggests scrapping the dislike ratio was a bad idea.

The YouTube monopoly on general videographic content means I can't go anywhere else. But man, the lack of competition here makes me sad. This was such a blunder.

I wonder how many execs at Google want to reimplement the feature but refuse to because it will dent their ego.

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Post by pessimizer »

thinkingemote wrote: post #261
jmyeet wrote: post #184

The only explanation for getting rid of dislike count that makes sense to me is to make big brands happy as their videos can't be made to look bad with a high dislike count and they can't be "dislike bombed" for things that may be unrelated to the content (eg the recent Activision-Blizzard scandals). Why? Because in every other way (and every way for the viewer), this makes Youtube worse. So it's a hell of a price to…

I believe the official explanation: dislikes are hurting some YouTubers as a form of "crowd bullying". They were a signal or message that the message (but not the quality) was not approved. Dislikes were being used as a form of critique of the content. They were a kind of mob/crowd behaviour than a personal like/dislike. The YouTubers were both marginalised people, those waging culture war stuff and corporations. By…

They own the system, they could just shadowban bullies' votes. They could have just done it on videos that were statistical outliers, too - raised a "bullied" flag.

It'd be pretty easy to isolate different voting mobs, too, and group them together. You could use them to just ban the mob that is targeting the video, and let members of other mobs' votes still slip through. I might even inform the user if I were cocky about the system: "You have been prevented from voting on this video because your account has been associated with a mass-downvoting group from reddit.com/r/ronpopeillives. If you feel you have received this message in error, send an email to appeals@devnull.youtube.com."

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