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Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're helpful when searching for tutorials especially on topics you don't know much about. It's a way to navigate the big mess of unknown to me channels. For example, if I'm looking for a video on how to fix something at home, the downvote ratio can quickly tell me if someone is giving bad advice or just rambling and wasting my time. For channels I watch regularly downvotes aren't relevant at all.

How often do you check the supposed "bad tutorials" to verify that this assumption is actually true?

Not often, the whole point of this heuristic is to watch as little as possible and still get the information I need. I don't really care about false-negatives unless a very-downvoted video is the only useful video on a topic (which is unlikely). It's just a useful shortcut, not a way to perfectly classify videos.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #38

I can't say I've noticed a difference. That being said 80+% of videos I watch are either from channels I subscribe to or something I've searched for. Also after I started getting more aggressive with using the Not Interested and Don't Recommend Channel buttons to flag videos on my recommendation page I feel it's actually gotten quite a bit better.

> I started getting more aggressive with using the Not Interested and Don't Recommend Channel buttons

Yeah, I've even had to start DRC'ing channels I'm subscribed to because YT seems to think that I want my homepage to be nothing but videos I've already watched from those channels.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

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post #55
post #37

get the extension "BlockTube" and block any channel that does this. after a while your feed will get noticably better. People are saying not to click but IMO it doesn't work that well. I make a point of never clicking on any video title like that, and still kept getting flooded My favorite pattern is saying "THIS" and withholding what exactly the video is about - once I saw it used twice in a title and it just cracke…

> block any channel that does this Isn't there an endless supply of such channels? Or does YouTube notice your lack of engagement?

I have very narrow interests for video topics and it works for me at least. Of course it's not perfect since new channels will pop up, or youtube will suggest new topics (e.g. lately the johnny depp trial), but even then, you can block 90% of it quite easily which is already a big improvement.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#84

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

Is the streamer bro Asmongold , by any chance? I got it recommended out of the blue.

I doubt it. Asmon's demographic is 32 year old kids, not 12.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#85
I've only noticed the difference for a very specific set of technical help videos: how to open an X, how to fix a Y, how to pronounce Z. Now I just have to check the comments.

The YouTube recommendation algorithm also broke globally about 3 weeks ago. Most people have not noticed it yet, but I haven't asked a single person about it who has said that their recommendations are normal. They've suddenly been full of crappy compilations, conspiracy theory videos, and weird clickbait. Please comment if your YouTube recommendations did not go nuts around 3 weeks ago because I'd love to see whether or not this is a worldwide thing.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#86

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

Yep, about 3 weeks ago the recommendations algorithm fell apart and ever since it has been a strange experience. Half of my recommendations are normal, but extreme low quality is being pushed quite aggressively

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#87
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending really, really old videos from people I normally watch. It's always done this, but it seems worse recently. Also, subscribe to a channel, get recommended their entire repertoire of the last decade. I have stopped subscribing, and I'm actively unsubscribing from most channels except the very small ones that post twice a year and I don't want to miss. What…

I genuinely don’t understand why Google got it right with Circles, realizing we have different orthogonal interests… but all my YouTube subscriptions go in a giant pile, as if advanced math, news, and rap videos are fungible content. I want some ability to create sets of channels with a focus and only access that when I want to. I think the problem is that YouTube has always been a manipulative and exploitative platf…

On the mobile app, they show "pill buttons" for your detected interests across the top and you can click on them to filter those topics specifically. So they have put some nominal work into supporting orthogonal interests.

The problem for me is that it just doesn't work very well. First, it's hidden deeply in the UI. Second, the topics are self-detected (poorly) and you have no way to edit them. Third, they seem to act as simple filters of your feed, not a way to access different subsets of content.

I'm sure the root of the problem is that lots of smart people at YouTube probably understand this frustration and want to make this better, but building filtering tools doesn't improve overall user engagement metrics and doesn't get anyone promoted, so no one does. But what does improve overall engagement? Recommending streamer bro meme videos in the chance that a kid might get hooked and watch thousands more of them.

Re: No Dislikes has officially ruined YouTube for me

#90

I don't personally think the dislike button is the explanation. But something seems to have changed in the Youtube recommendations algo in the last few weeks. In my experience, the algo has gotten very noticeably worse recently: - Recommending lots of 6 - 12 year old videos on topics I'm interested in (who cares about a 12 year old product review?) - Recommending tons of videos I've already seen or recommending reall…

Yep, about 3 weeks ago the recommendations algorithm fell apart and ever since it has been a strange experience. Half of my recommendations are normal, but extreme low quality is being pushed quite aggressively

Spambot comments have exploded recently too, a lot of channel owners are complaining. Something definitely seems broken.

I wonder if any of this affects GMail as well.

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