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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by Dave_Rosenthal »

qeternity wrote: post #384
Dave_Rosenthal wrote: post #372

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Reasonable. It's an 'I believe' claim based not an 'based on these facts' claim. But, I am more informed that most as I spent five years in the industry leading all algorithm/ML development for autonomous systems at Apple. (Who I am leaving out of this analysis BTW :)

So what are you believing if it’s not based on facts? Also you surely can understand that your work on AS at Apple has no bearing on what Tesla is doing, correct? Am I missing something here?

Working as an eng leader for five years in the industry gave me a considerable base of factual knowledge about the state of the industry even beyond my own company.

I was just summing up my knowledge with an (I thought innocuous) 'I believe' statement. Sounds like you believe otherwise. That's cool with me, and I don't doubt you have good reasons way :)

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by henrikschroder »

fastball wrote: post #400
henrikschroder wrote: post #320

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The non-geofenced level 2 system that Mercedes also has, can of course do lane changes and is definitely on par with Tesla's autopilot. This is about their level 3 system, which is ahead of Tesla, both technically, and most importantly regulatory.

How is this system ahead of Tesla? What features does it have that Autopilot does not? Obviously this is ahead in a regulatory sense, but that can very easily just be politics, not technical sophistication.

It's a level 3 system that allows you to relax and take your eyes off the road when it's active.

Tesla only has a level 2 system where you have to be ready to take over at a moment's notice, and you can never take your eyes off the road.

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Post by kortilla »

maxerickson wrote: post #359
kortilla wrote: post #291

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This is just naive. Every company that makes any kind of product has made some kind of trade like this. Costco sells you knives cheaply because they will not be liable if you murder people with them. If the Costco investors were liable for murder every time one of their knives was used to kill someone, you can bet they would just not sell them entirely. Just because a company thinks about liability doesn’t mean it’s…

I'm not sure what your point is. My comment is a statement that corporations do have a responsibility to act in the interests of society, not an analysis of the particular ethics of selling knives or avoiding liability.

So do people, which are the ones that run companies. What’s your point?

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by fastball »

henrikschroder wrote: post #402
fastball wrote: post #400

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How is this system ahead of Tesla? What features does it have that Autopilot does not? Obviously this is ahead in a regulatory sense, but that can very easily just be politics, not technical sophistication.

It's a level 3 system that allows you to relax and take your eyes off the road when it's active. Tesla only has a level 2 system where you have to be ready to take over at a moment's notice, and you can never take your eyes off the road.

You can definitely take your eyes of the road with Tesla's system as evidenced by the copious number of videos where people get out of their seat and leave their Tesla to keep driving.

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Post by fastball »

foepys wrote: post #314
fastball wrote: post #253

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Yeah, this seems barely beyond Tesla's Autopilot and not even close to the FSD Beta.

Autopilot is glorified cruise control and lane keeping. FSD is still occasionally trying to drive you into a concrete pillar and is not available unless you get selected to be a beta tester. Unless Tesla assumes liability for their systems while you can legaly play on your phone, they are far behind.

Autopilot can change lanes. This cannot.

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Post by lima »

Auracle wrote: post #377
lima wrote: post #124

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In Germany, the law was changed to account for this. There are limits - while you can watch a movie, you have to be ready to take over within ten seconds.

10 seconds is a ridiculously long time when driving. What was the logic for that timeframe? It seems to me you either need to be ready to take over in an instant or basically not at all.

Things like approaching ambulances or construction sites that the system can predict, but knows it can't handle.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by easytiger »

stefan_ wrote: post #398
easytiger wrote: post #395

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> Accelerating absurdly overweight, overpowered cars to anything over 20mph in between stops at lights is just a moral hazard. The level of absurdity in suggesting a moral element to driving a car at below 30mph just shows how fundamentally biased people have become about a normal part of everyday life. For whatever reason

I think you just don't know what that term means.

Absurd

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by henrikschroder »

fastball wrote: post #404
henrikschroder wrote: post #402

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It's a level 3 system that allows you to relax and take your eyes off the road when it's active. Tesla only has a level 2 system where you have to be ready to take over at a moment's notice, and you can never take your eyes off the road.

You can definitely take your eyes of the road with Tesla's system as evidenced by the copious number of videos where people get out of their seat and leave their Tesla to keep driving.

Yes, there are plenty of reckless people driving illegally in their Teslas.

But if Tesla is ahead, why did they back down recently and add driver monitoring systems as required by level 2, instead of applying for a level 3 certification?

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by fastball »

henrikschroder wrote: post #408
fastball wrote: post #404

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You can definitely take your eyes of the road with Tesla's system as evidenced by the copious number of videos where people get out of their seat and leave their Tesla to keep driving.

Yes, there are plenty of reckless people driving illegally in their Teslas. But if Tesla is ahead, why did they back down recently and add driver monitoring systems as required by level 2, instead of applying for a level 3 certification?

Maybe because the level system is stupid and doesn't reflect how people actually want to use their cars? i.e. They think they can skip L3 entirely and just go directly to L4, no point in having to get "certified" for one if you think you can get to the other soon.

I put certified in quotes because AFAIK there is no straightforward process to "apply for a level 3 certification" in the US, where Tesla is based. You don't just pay some application fee, have your vehicle / software vetted, and now your car is allowed to drive itself in all 50 states.

Whereas the OC is about Germany, where they have the Autonomous Driving Act that is actually explicit about certifying cars based on the standard levelling system (which again, is terrible).

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Post by pojzon »

qeternity wrote: post #393
pojzon wrote: post #391

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Self-driving car is not only radar and good model. Tesla has their own battery factories, own mines, own delivery chain, years of experience of actual real world traffic data from all around the world. You have to look at volume, Tesla soon will be producing millions of electric cars per year. They already won the market. It will take years for competition to catch up. If ppl want to gamble with their money and buy a…

What on earth does level 5 autonomy have to do with EVs? Literally nothing above has any relation to autonomy.

It means that competition has ALOT of things to focus on to even be on pair.

Tesla on the other hand has to only focus on one thing now..

And none of those companies reached lv5.

So my bet would be on company that has the best focus.

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