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"We know Tesla's autopilot is safer on average" Am I allowed to just use "LOL" on hackernews?
Well, unless you are going to rebut the statement, I don't see the point. If you are just basing your point of view on the widely reported Tesla crashes, you might want to look up some actual safety stats. Crashes of human-driven cars happen every day, and they're often fatal. But as I pointed out, most Tesla autopilot use is presumably in "easy" conditions, which complicates comparisons.
Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll
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I believe that Tesla is ahead in the self-driving industry from an overall technology perspective. What they have failed to do, however, is to tackle the problem of when and how much the user can actually trust their system. This leaves users to struggle to build their own mental models of the same ("Oh, it likes this road", "I don't trust it at high speeds", etc.) This is terrible UX. Mercedes seems to be stepping u…
> I believe that Tesla is ahead in the self-driving industry from an overall technology perspective. What info could you possibly have access to that would give you remotely enough confidence to assess this? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying I doubt you have the info to claim this.
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#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, unless you are going to rebut the statement, I don't see the point. If you are just basing your point of view on the widely reported Tesla crashes, you might want to look up some actual safety stats. Crashes of human-driven cars happen every day, and they're often fatal. But as I pointed out, most Tesla autopilot use is presumably in "easy" conditions, which complicates comparisons.
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Yeah, this seems barely beyond Tesla's Autopilot and not even close to the FSD Beta.
Neither autopilot nor FSD would let me take my attention off of the road. It sounds like this thing is fine if you're distracted, as long as you can take control within 10 seconds.
Ten seconds is an eternity, so if it sees the tiniest possibility ahead that things will get complicated, it will have to be conservative and give the ten second warning. And when it does get into heavy traffic, it will be disabled.
Because it will be disabling itself a lot (or super annoying if it's giving false alarms) it will either be not in use except on very sparse roadways, or it won't even matter because it will be completely turned off by the driver.
Bottom line, it's a marketing gimmick.
The alternative is a system that goes into the thick of traffic, still active, still helping, still adding an additional level of safety over and above what the driver maintains, but since the system is going into the thick of traffic in an enabled state, actively engaged, and things are dicey, the human still needs to be involved as an active participant in oversight. Ready to take over at a moment's notice. Not ten seconds from now. In this approach, the safety benefits are real, not just marketing. But the human needs to step up and stay responsible and own the shit that happens.
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20mph is considered to be good for survivability, but is not really good from a speed/travel perspective. I believe OP meant maybe 40mph is a good balance between the two factors of speed (higher is better) and survivability (higher is better) from a corporate risk / insurance perspective. Raising one of these lowers the other - so the actual threshold depends on how you value speed / convenience vs accident survivab…
20mph is within populated areas and not on a main road. In the US, the norm is 25mph, which isn't that far off.
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SAE levels are based on the features of the system… and the conditions it operates in, and the responsibility of the driver.
I said marketable features. Outside of HN's demographic, the number of people who even know what an SAE level is would round off to zero.
Few may know what “level 3” means, but they certainly know what “you don’t have to pay attention” means.
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What about legal? As in, if I'm being driven around my Mercedes-Benz while watching a movie on my phone and something happens, am I not gonna get fucked by the cops?
In Germany, the law was changed to account for this. There are limits - while you can watch a movie, you have to be ready to take over within ten seconds.
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I'm being downvoted - but this is the reality of what will happen. Who wants that sort of monitoring when they are driving? Is this a consumer-driven feature? Or is this more government management - leveraging technology to micro-manage every detail of our lives - only allowing good citizens travel privileges etc? We are sleep walking into a dystopia, and I get downvoted for stating the obvious! Seriously - your gove…
Is seriously this your biggest concern about government controlling you after the news that the Supreme Court banned abortion? You don’t have any whatsoever concern about that, I bet.
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#379While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).
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You were responding to someone saying that Tesla’s autopilot is safer (based on crash stats per million miles), not FSD. FSD and autopilot are two different features.
Either way, in summary, I cannot trust FSD until it is 100% reliable (impossible) and the temporary situation for some time to come (regulated/supervised FSD) drains all the life out of what I enjoy, actual engaged driving! ...
The bits we don't enjoy (stop-start traffic and some motorway driving) have already been taken care off more than a decade ago.
I'd love the option of FSD but ... either FSD will never fully be realised, or will be adopted widely and there'll be some hold outs like me who actually enjoy their driving.
We'll see