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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by pojzon »

qeternity wrote: post #384
Dave_Rosenthal wrote: post #372

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Reasonable. It's an 'I believe' claim based not an 'based on these facts' claim. But, I am more informed that most as I spent five years in the industry leading all algorithm/ML development for autonomous systems at Apple. (Who I am leaving out of this analysis BTW :)

So what are you believing if it’s not based on facts? Also you surely can understand that your work on AS at Apple has no bearing on what Tesla is doing, correct? Am I missing something here?

Self-driving car is not only radar and good model. Tesla has their own battery factories, own mines, own delivery chain, years of experience of actual real world traffic data from all around the world.

You have to look at volume, Tesla soon will be producing millions of electric cars per year.

They already won the market. It will take years for competition to catch up.

If ppl want to gamble with their money and buy a car that never hit a real world traffic -> let them do it, but every other manufacturer is going to have to go through the same painful process as Tesla already did.

Not even mentioning that no other company beside maybe Toyota has any real experience with electric cars.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by tracyholmes355 »

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by qeternity »

pojzon wrote: post #391
qeternity wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what are you believing if it’s not based on facts? Also you surely can understand that your work on AS at Apple has no bearing on what Tesla is doing, correct? Am I missing something here?

Self-driving car is not only radar and good model. Tesla has their own battery factories, own mines, own delivery chain, years of experience of actual real world traffic data from all around the world. You have to look at volume, Tesla soon will be producing millions of electric cars per year. They already won the market. It will take years for competition to catch up. If ppl want to gamble with their money and buy a…

What on earth does level 5 autonomy have to do with EVs?

Literally nothing above has any relation to autonomy.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by xputer »

whazor wrote: post #293

I really wish cars removed from residential areas and inner city, basically anywhere people are walking around. It makes self driving much easier and also eliminate the need for parking. You would walk a bit more (like five minutes), to a bus stop and be picked up by a car. Much healthier and probably causes less congestion too. Within city's and residential areas you can have nice bike and walking paths and more roo…

Yes, luckily it seems cities are slowly starting to realize that allowing cars everywhere and infinitely widening roads is not scalable and, more importantly, does not create a pleasant environment for people to be outside in.

The future is definitely creating more walkable/cyclable cities and improving public transit. Self driving cars have the potential to make things even worse by generating new car trips that otherwise wouldn't have been made.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by easytiger »

stefan_ wrote: post #186
easytiger wrote: post #170

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The reduction from 30mph to 20mph in London is political CV padding and has had no real effect on outcomes. All based on Chinese whispers. Wouldn't be surprised if your comment ended up as an original source in Islington's justification for some thing or other. It's that flimsy

Average speeds in London are below 20mph. Accelerating absurdly overweight, overpowered cars to anything over 20mph in between stops at lights is just a moral hazard.

> Accelerating absurdly overweight, overpowered cars to anything over 20mph in between stops at lights is just a moral hazard.

The level of absurdity in suggesting a moral element to driving a car at below 30mph just shows how fundamentally biased people have become about a normal part of everyday life. For whatever reason

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by easytiger »

hgomersall wrote: post #316
easytiger wrote: post #170

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The reduction from 30mph to 20mph in London is political CV padding and has had no real effect on outcomes. All based on Chinese whispers. Wouldn't be surprised if your comment ended up as an original source in Islington's justification for some thing or other. It's that flimsy

If it doesn't it's because it's not enforced. It's irrefutable that vehicles moving at 20mph are less dangerous than vehicles moving at 30mph.

> If it doesn't it's because it's not enforced. It's irrefutable that vehicles moving at 20mph are less dangerous than vehicles moving at 30mph.

Then make them drive at 1mph

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by easytiger »

FabHK wrote: post #352
easytiger wrote: post #170

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The reduction from 30mph to 20mph in London is political CV padding and has had no real effect on outcomes. All based on Chinese whispers. Wouldn't be surprised if your comment ended up as an original source in Islington's justification for some thing or other. It's that flimsy

The effect is huge. Energy goes up quadratically, so here (4->9) you have more than doubling. Stopping distance goes up quadratically (well, due to reaction time there is a linear component in there as well, but still). And if there is a sudden obstacle that you can just avoid hitting going 20mph initially, you'd hit it with 22 mph if you're going 30 mph initially (assuming no reaction time and constant deceleration)…

Things can be quantifiably described as "doubled" without that having any real world impact.

In my experience the people supporting these measures are adopting them not because they care about safety at all, but have another agenda.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by stefan_ »

easytiger wrote: post #395
stefan_ wrote: post #186

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Average speeds in London are below 20mph. Accelerating absurdly overweight, overpowered cars to anything over 20mph in between stops at lights is just a moral hazard.

> Accelerating absurdly overweight, overpowered cars to anything over 20mph in between stops at lights is just a moral hazard. The level of absurdity in suggesting a moral element to driving a car at below 30mph just shows how fundamentally biased people have become about a normal part of everyday life. For whatever reason

I think you just don't know what that term means.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by fastball »

upbeat_general wrote: post #264
fastball wrote: post #258

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The levelling system in self-driving really needs to die. If Autopilot is L2 at best how is the OC L3? What features does the Mercedes Drive Pilot solution have that AP does not?

LiDAR for one: current SOTA monocular depth estimation is pretty poor compared to even poor LiDAR

That's a sensor not a feature.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by fastball »

henrikschroder wrote: post #320
fastball wrote: post #257

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This is less sophisticated than Tesla Autopilot (you can do lane changes with AP) which has been in use for years. It's not anywhere close to FSD Beta.

The non-geofenced level 2 system that Mercedes also has, can of course do lane changes and is definitely on par with Tesla's autopilot. This is about their level 3 system, which is ahead of Tesla, both technically, and most importantly regulatory.

How is this system ahead of Tesla? What features does it have that Autopilot does not?

Obviously this is ahead in a regulatory sense, but that can very easily just be politics, not technical sophistication.

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