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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by autoexec »

pigtailgirl wrote: post #130
verisimi wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think its possible to make an argument for lots of things, in the name of safety. That it should be impossible to have anonymity online, etc because of child abuse, or terrorism, or some other action. The safety argument cannot balance the fact that we also need freedom of speech and thought. We are heading into a world where the power balance is going to become so wildly asymmetrical - the government will know eve…

you might be right you might be wrong - however I suspect you'll find there are many of us out here who are just not willing to let ourselves get so worked up about such a ridged view of a possible future - doubt you'll find many on HN who are ignorant to the signs - i'm certain many are concerned about the trends - that doesn't meant people necessarily disagree with your thought - we just may disagree with your outl…

> nor am i inclined to believe my government is going to turn against me without noticing -

Are you in the US? If so then out of curiosity, considering we have published research demonstrating that the average American has effectively zero influence on policy and the only groups with representation are extremely wealthy individuals and corporations, and we've already seen the US government engaging in the warrantless surveillance of every last American, the continued push for more extreme uses of gerrymandering and other forms of voter suppression, police executing citizens in the streets for minor infractions, the promotion of lies and misinformation encouraging citizens to get sick or seek ineffective treatments during a global pandemic, the mass incarceration of Americans at a rate far beyond any other nation on the planet, along with continuous efforts to weaken and ignore our constitutional rights, just how much longer do you think it'll be before the notice that they've turned against you arrives?

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Post by acchow »

ksubedi wrote: post #73

What most people here complaining about the "40 mph" limit do not realize is that below 40mph is where it's hardest to implement proper self driving, as majority of below 40mph driving will be in city streets with pedestrians, frequent turns and more variables. Anything higher will generally be in highways where lane assist cruise control systems are already more than good enough. I will gladly take a system that can…

In terms of Mercedes assuming liability (which is what many commenters are focused on here), it seems below 40mph has the lowest liability risk.

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Post by stubish »

wyldfire wrote: post #7

> Mercedes-Benz Cars says it plans to release “Drive Pilot,” a conditionally automated Level 3 system for automated driving I think it's pretty irresponsible to publish a picture of a driver taking his eyes off the road to play Tetris on a system designed for Level 3.

Germany has defined what Level 3 means to them. The driver needs to be able to take control within 10 seconds. If the car can't wait 10 seconds for the driver to stop playing and pay attention to the alert, it isn't Level 3 (in Germany). It can't be cowboy level 3 where you are still driving with your hands on the wheel and foot over the break pedal waiting for the software to stuff up.

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Post by FinnKuhn »

ghaff wrote: post #199
criddell wrote: post #148

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That's plenty of time. Find a clock and watch the second hand move for ten seconds. It's a long time.

Especially if I am actually asleep, I can barely speak coherently on the telephone within 10 seconds much less take care of situation with a vehicle that a computer has thrown up its virtual hands about dealing with.

Level 3 autonomous driving isn't made with the use case of sleeping but with you being able to do other things while still awake (for example use your phone or watch a movie). For those situations 10s is more than enough time to react.

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Post by amelius »

steeve wrote: post #196
lorenzfx wrote: post #20

While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).

Renault does, they announced it a while back. THIS is the real breakthrough (I worked on self driving cars in the mid 2000s).

I wouldn't be surprised if the EU made this a law.

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Post by Aperocky »

stavros wrote: post #172
Traster wrote: post #60

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Just from a management perspective, even if you're super-confident in your engineers (which you shouldn't be), doing anything other than a very limited slow roll out would be negligent. This is a tectonic shift in liability. It's one thing if you sell 1,000,000 cars and 100,000 get in an accident. It's actually much worse to sell 10,000 cars and 1,000 of them get in an accident and the company is liable .

Oh man, I didn't expect to read a comment saying "it's OK if 100 times more cars have accidents as long as a company isn't liable".

Most car accidents are 100% operator error, it'd be really far fetched to try to blame those on the manufacturer.

Autopilot not so much, the point stands.

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Post by FinnKuhn »

sidibe wrote: post #140
henrikschroder wrote: post #6

Meanwhile at Tesla: "We're the industry leaders, wait for us!"

All these other companies are just wasting their time because for 5+ years now, Teslas only require someone in the drivers seat for legal reasons (source: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot )

In Germany Mercedes assumes all liability for these situations though (60kmh, highways, good visibility), so I don't see why Tesla couldn't do the same if they were just as confident in their system, but apparently they don't trust it enough for that. Instead they claim their system can do all these things on it's own, while the driver doesn't really benefit from it as they are still liable for everything it does and not even allowed to use their phone while driving, which is something you are allowed to do with the this new system from Mercedes.

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Post by sib »

zip1234 wrote: post #206
jeffbee wrote: post #195

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I wonder why that speed limit would exist. Sensor range? Computational power? It seems like the difference between being able to self-drive at 40 and at 65 on the same road would not be all that significant.

Perhaps because 65 has exponentially more energy in collisions and more likely to cause death? If it is limited to 40, death is less likely and therefore chance of negative news. So I would venture just a risk calculation for initial release.

Literally 164% more energy - not exponentially.
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