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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by gitfan86 »

kube-system wrote: post #74
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

Breadth of operating conditions is a trade off with reliability of operation. It’s possible to do a lot of things okay, or a couple things perfectly, but not yet possible to do a lot of things perfectly. When you remove the driver from the equation, the requirement for reliability goes up. There’s going to come a day when Tesla is forced to make difficult decisions about their “FSD” system. They’re either going to be…

The big risk that Waymo/Mercedes is taking with this approach is that they do not know what blocking issues they will run into when adding new functionality to these systems.

What if driving in rain or snow is incompatible with their architecture and they have to do a major rewrite to expand into that functionality?

With the Tesla Approach they already know where the system fails and where the system isn't making any progress when trying to fix those failures. So Tesla can do major rewrites and major architecture changes much earlier in the development process.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by [deleted] »

369548684892826 wrote: post #128
lorenzfx wrote: post #20

While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).

> they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot This probably just means autopilot gets disengaged just before impact

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by Vespasian »

369548684892826 wrote: post #128
lorenzfx wrote: post #20

While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).

> they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot This probably just means autopilot gets disengaged just before impact

This also includes a 10 second takeover window (in accordance with EU regulations)

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by tigershark »

verisimi wrote: post #42
verisimi wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a huge leap. I can't possibly imagine that government would pass legislation that all the automakers would comply with. /s https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bil... "Deep within the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act that was signed into law by President Joe Biden is a passage that will require automakers to begin including what can be best summarized as a “vehicle kill switch” within t…

I'm being downvoted - but this is the reality of what will happen. Who wants that sort of monitoring when they are driving? Is this a consumer-driven feature? Or is this more government management - leveraging technology to micro-manage every detail of our lives - only allowing good citizens travel privileges etc? We are sleep walking into a dystopia, and I get downvoted for stating the obvious! Seriously - your gove…

Is seriously this your biggest concern about government controlling you after the news that the Supreme Court banned abortion? You don’t have any whatsoever concern about that, I bet.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by Vespasian »

nradov wrote: post #97
Hamuko wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about legal? As in, if I'm being driven around my Mercedes-Benz while watching a movie on my phone and something happens, am I not gonna get fucked by the cops?

That would depend on the exact laws in particular jurisdictions where you might operate the vehicle. In some areas, law enforcement could cite you for using a phone even if the manufacturer had taken on the civil liability. Longer term some of those laws will probably change as Level 3 autonomous vehicles start to become more common.

Germany did already change the law (and is, I think, requiring exactly the kind of liability for the manufacturer that MB is offering)

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by [deleted] »

Hamuko wrote: post #83
lorenzfx wrote: post #20

While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).

What about legal? As in, if I'm being driven around my Mercedes-Benz while watching a movie on my phone and something happens, am I not gonna get fucked by the cops?

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by hooloovoo_zoo »

ksubedi wrote: post #73

What most people here complaining about the "40 mph" limit do not realize is that below 40mph is where it's hardest to implement proper self driving, as majority of below 40mph driving will be in city streets with pedestrians, frequent turns and more variables. Anything higher will generally be in highways where lane assist cruise control systems are already more than good enough. I will gladly take a system that can…

I really don’t think they’re more than good enough on highways. Even teslas still veer over when they encounter on-ramp-merges.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by mpwoz »

moralestapia wrote: post #112
slg wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But haven't we all seen Fight Club? It isn't a question a confidence, it is a question of financial math. This decision tells us nothing about the safety of the Mercedes system compared to its competitors. All it tells us is that adding these limitations to ensure the system is only used in the safest possible scenarios makes taking over liability more reasonable. That isn't surprising. Their competitors' systems are…

>But haven't we all seen Fight Club? ???

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?

Narrator: You wouldn't believe.

Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?

Narrator: A major one.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by kevinventullo »

slg wrote: post #76
davidvarela_us wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

few things inspire confidence like companies putting their literal money where their mouth is

But haven't we all seen Fight Club? It isn't a question a confidence, it is a question of financial math. This decision tells us nothing about the safety of the Mercedes system compared to its competitors. All it tells us is that adding these limitations to ensure the system is only used in the safest possible scenarios makes taking over liability more reasonable. That isn't surprising. Their competitors' systems are…

It’s both, right? The competitors may very well be just as safe in those conditions, but we wouldn’t know based on their liability stance; the Fight Club equation simply doesn’t apply.

With Mercedes, the Fight Club equation gives something like a mathematical guarantee of their estimated confidence of the safety of the system. There are no mathematical guarantees from the competitors.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by sidibe »

henrikschroder wrote: post #6

Meanwhile at Tesla: "We're the industry leaders, wait for us!"

All these other companies are just wasting their time because for 5+ years now, Teslas only require someone in the drivers seat for legal reasons (source: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot)
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