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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by robonerd »

bastawhiz wrote: post #102
amelius wrote: post #67

What I don't get: if deep learning can recognize a crosswalk with 99.99% accuracy, that's very impressive. Yet it is not enough.

I can imagine this being at least two orders of magnitude higher than most human drivers (one in ten thousand misses versus one in one hundred). How many orders of magnitude better does it need to be before it's good enough?

Missing one in a hundred intersections? That's insane. Most human drivers are much better than that and wouldn't keep their license (or their life) for long if they weren't.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by moralestapia »

slg wrote: post #76
davidvarela_us wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

few things inspire confidence like companies putting their literal money where their mouth is

But haven't we all seen Fight Club? It isn't a question a confidence, it is a question of financial math. This decision tells us nothing about the safety of the Mercedes system compared to its competitors. All it tells us is that adding these limitations to ensure the system is only used in the safest possible scenarios makes taking over liability more reasonable. That isn't surprising. Their competitors' systems are…

>But haven't we all seen Fight Club?

???

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by simondotau »

wollsmoth wrote: post #4
pojzon wrote: post #2

If tesla still has issues with self-driving cars and they are like a decade if not more ahead of everyone else. I dont believe this PR stunt.

Maybe LIDAR is more useful than Tesla thought.

What mistakes is FSD beta currently making that would be solved with more accurate localisation of the vehicle? Are you aware of any situations where mistakes are being made as a result of errors in depth estimation?

Seriously, look at any FSD beta video and you’ll quickly recognise that its ability to sense the road is mature and robust; most errors are in the planner.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by rglullis »

wfhordie wrote: post #47
QuercusMax wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making a pretty big leap there from "our experimental self-driving mode only works inside the geofence" to "the government won't let you drive where you want".

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

fweimer wrote: post #71
daenz wrote: post #29

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I wonder if 40mph is a magic number that is a good tradeoff between speed and survivability (and injury-related out-of-court settlements)

It's translated from 60 kph. Apparently, the current system is restricted to German highways. Those are limited to vehicles which can go at least as fast as 60 kph, and this might be where this number comes from. It's basically the slowest highway speed at which there is no controversy about legality. Targeting highways first makes sense from a complexity and data quality perspective. Although driving at 60 kph on Ge…

I doubt this reasoning. While it's true that 60 kph is the minimum for Autobahn, it's the minimum in the sense that the vehicle must be capable of that speed. There is no requirement to actually drive 60 kph or faster.

On the other side of the equation, nobody would feel comfortable cruising along at that speed, since you'd be continuously overtaken by trucks, which drive a little more than the allowed 80 kph unless it's physically impossible.

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Post by colinmhayes »

anikan_vader wrote: post #82
halotrope wrote: post #11

Meanwhile in Jerusalem https://youtu.be/pDyMzz8HMIc

The car pulls out and immediately fails to yield to two pedestrians at a crosswalk at 0:54. One of the pedestrians is in the crosswalk.

Just like a real person :)

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Post by thematrixturtle »

moralestapia wrote: post #112
slg wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But haven't we all seen Fight Club? It isn't a question a confidence, it is a question of financial math. This decision tells us nothing about the safety of the Mercedes system compared to its competitors. All it tells us is that adding these limitations to ensure the system is only used in the safest possible scenarios makes taking over liability more reasonable. That isn't surprising. Their competitors' systems are…

>But haven't we all seen Fight Club? ???

http://inaneexplained.blogspot.com/2011/03/fight-club-car-re...

TL;DR; If there's a defect that kills or maims people, car manufacturers compute if it's cheaper to recall or just deal with the lawsuits.

And this happens regularly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_at_Any_Speed

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by mirntyfirty »

moralestapia wrote: post #112
slg wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But haven't we all seen Fight Club? It isn't a question a confidence, it is a question of financial math. This decision tells us nothing about the safety of the Mercedes system compared to its competitors. All it tells us is that adding these limitations to ensure the system is only used in the safest possible scenarios makes taking over liability more reasonable. That isn't surprising. Their competitors' systems are…

>But haven't we all seen Fight Club? ???

Have you seen the movie, if I remember the scene correctly Norton discusses the financial incentives leading to auto product recalls. I don’t think this is accurate in real life although Boeing hasn’t inspired much confidence.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by [deleted] »

riotnrrd wrote: post #80
Youden wrote: post #70

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The linked blog post seems to show off hardware but the software is all Mercedes, no? In that case automakers wouldn't be able to buy the self-driving capability from NVIDIA.

NVIDIA has a large autonomous vehicle software team and releases public products (such as Driveworks: https://developer.nvidia.com/drive/driveworks ) as well as custom products for specific clients.

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by Hamuko »

aeyes wrote: post #107
anikan_vader wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The car pulls out and immediately fails to yield to two pedestrians at a crosswalk at 0:54. One of the pedestrians is in the crosswalk.

It also has a traffic light so I guess this isn't a crosswalk where the car has to yield. The pedestrian isn't really in the crosswalk, there is a yellow dashed line. Very confusing but I guess: Different countries, different rules. 1:44 is also confusing, no signs at all so the car should yield to the car coming from the right. 3:35 looks dangerous, pulling left into the scooter. 10:00 he says that it is very challe…

1:44 might have a yield sign behind the no entry sign. Looking at Google Maps, it might be 16 HaMatmid Alley, and in the 2011 Street View photos there appears to be a yield sign behind the no entry sign.
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