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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by microtherion »

MBCook wrote: post #12
wyldfire wrote: post #7

> Mercedes-Benz Cars says it plans to release “Drive Pilot,” a conditionally automated Level 3 system for automated driving I think it's pretty irresponsible to publish a picture of a driver taking his eyes off the road to play Tetris on a system designed for Level 3.

“Level 3 autonomous driving, as defined by SAE International, means that the driver can hand over control to the vehicle, but must be ready to take over when prompted” (from an EU car site) At level 3 the driver no longer has to constantly monitor the road, but they can’t exactly go to sleep because they need to be ready to take over in a few seconds. Given that the image seems reasonable.

In the specific case of the Mercedes-Benz system, if the driver does not take over in a timely manner, the car will find a safe place to come to a stop, activate the emergency lights, and unlock the doors, so you'd probably live even if you did fall asleep: https://group.mercedes-benz.com/documents/innovation/other/2...

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Post by QuercusMax »

verisimi wrote: post #19
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

> "Geofenced" That's the word. That's the plan. We will be geofenced, there will be a kill switch. You will not be able to go where you want, except if the government allows it. In fact, I think Uber is the best example of geofencing we have for the long run. In the medium term, self-driving cars you still own will fill the gap.

You're making a pretty big leap there from "our experimental self-driving mode only works inside the geofence" to "the government won't let you drive where you want".

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by a-dub »

there should be a qualification level for vehicles that can fully self drive at low speeds in heavy traffic on the highway so you can nap through traffic jams and then later enjoy your performance automobile by driving it yourself when it's clear.

half the point of fancy cars is that they're fun to drive.

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Post by [deleted] »

verisimi wrote: post #19
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

> "Geofenced" That's the word. That's the plan. We will be geofenced, there will be a kill switch. You will not be able to go where you want, except if the government allows it. In fact, I think Uber is the best example of geofencing we have for the long run. In the medium term, self-driving cars you still own will fill the gap.

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Post by scrozier »

mdoms wrote: post #18

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I own a Model 3 and love it. But you're 100% right: the "full self driving" claim Musk/Tesla has been making for years is bizarre. I live in a major city and have never had a trip using FSD where I didn't have to take control multiple times. At times, updates seem to make it get worse. Simple example, on a highway, it can't even keep the car in the middle of the lane through moderate curves. It almost always drifts to the outside, sometimes onto or over the lane marker. And I know it's doing this because I can watch it on the display, so the car clearly knows it's not centered. Surely this should be a trivial task (as self-driving tasks go).

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by na85 »

gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Geofencing is a big part of the dystopia that the Valley crowd is getting paid a small fortune to shove down our throats.

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

wyldfire wrote: post #7

> Mercedes-Benz Cars says it plans to release “Drive Pilot,” a conditionally automated Level 3 system for automated driving I think it's pretty irresponsible to publish a picture of a driver taking his eyes off the road to play Tetris on a system designed for Level 3.

Not if the system is designed to achieve a minimal risk condition by itself or give the driver sufficient warning to take over. Level 3 includes systems that can handle an emergency situation but require the driver to respond within some limited time.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by daenz »

gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

I wonder if 40mph is a magic number that is a good tradeoff between speed and survivability (and injury-related out-of-court settlements)

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by [deleted] »

verisimi wrote: post #19
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

> "Geofenced" That's the word. That's the plan. We will be geofenced, there will be a kill switch. You will not be able to go where you want, except if the government allows it. In fact, I think Uber is the best example of geofencing we have for the long run. In the medium term, self-driving cars you still own will fill the gap.

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