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Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by verisimi »

QuercusMax wrote: post #22
verisimi wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Geofenced" That's the word. That's the plan. We will be geofenced, there will be a kill switch. You will not be able to go where you want, except if the government allows it. In fact, I think Uber is the best example of geofencing we have for the long run. In the medium term, self-driving cars you still own will fill the gap.

You're making a pretty big leap there from "our experimental self-driving mode only works inside the geofence" to "the government won't let you drive where you want".

Yes, a huge leap. I can't possibly imagine that government would pass legislation that all the automakers would comply with. /s

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/biden-infrastructure-bil...

"Deep within the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act that was signed into law by President Joe Biden is a passage that will require automakers to begin including what can be best summarized as a “vehicle kill switch” within the operating software of new cars, which is described in the bill as “advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology”. The measure has been positioned as a safety tool to help prevent drunk driving, and by 2026 (three years after the enactment of the Act, per the text) the kill switch could be mandated on every new car sold in the United States. Then there’s the broader reaching RIDE Act, which we’ll touch on in a moment."

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by arcticbull »

verisimi wrote: post #19
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

> "Geofenced" That's the word. That's the plan. We will be geofenced, there will be a kill switch. You will not be able to go where you want, except if the government allows it. In fact, I think Uber is the best example of geofencing we have for the long run. In the medium term, self-driving cars you still own will fill the gap.

> You will not be able to go where you want, except if the government allows it.

Sounds like in your model Elon will be the one deciding where you can and cannot go.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by davidvarela_us »

lorenzfx wrote: post #20

While the specs sound very underwhelming at first (geo-fenced on some roads, very low speeds, no bad weather), they seem to be so confident in their system, that they will take responsibility for the car when in autopilot. AFAIK, no other manufacturer does this for their systems (which capabilities they often make rather wild claims about).

few things inspire confidence like companies putting their literal money where their mouth is

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by rootusrootus »

everyone wrote: post #16

Is it still designed to mow down pedestrians? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15344706/self-driving-mer... Mercedes ethics: Save the people who can afford lawyers.

That's such a ridiculous problem to worry about. Humans don't try to solve the trolley problem, either, I don't know why we suddenly expect computers to be able to do it.

The real answer is actually simple, and it's basically the same advice for human drivers: stop the car, however you can. Don't try to swerve, don't get clever, just dynamite the brakes and hope for the best. Or as they say on the race track "both pedals in!"

Anything else is foolishness. I think magazines just like to talk about it because it makes people click.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by [deleted] »

na85 wrote: post #27
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. Geofencing is a big part of the dystopia that the Valley crowd is getting paid a small fortune to shove down our throats.

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Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

For me the corollary of this ("you just invented a more expensive railway") is the business model assumptions that go away. Long distance trucking is still a likely winner, but there is still the "last mile / last off ramp".

None of the business models touted today survive the new railway problem. That's not to say it's not a valuable technology - it's just we cannot whistle up a human shaped robot that just does what we want.

In the same way a machine is shaped by its function, our cities and infrastructure green will be shaped by their function.

Disneyland is built one level up, so that all the service tunnels (with I am sure some self driving robots) can get around without getting in the way of people. Whatever we rebuild our (climate neutral) cities to be, i think less surface space given to transport will be high

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by filoleg »

na85 wrote: post #27
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. Geofencing is a big part of the dystopia that the Valley crowd is getting paid a small fortune to shove down our throats.

> If you think Teslas driven [...] can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you.

I wonder how this is even remotely possible, given that Teslas can easily operate fully offline (which they frequently do in areas with poor cell reception). You can just build a small faraday cage encasing the modem so that it cannot receive signal, and you are good to go.

Also, I don't think that the drivetrain subsystem and the subsystem that is connected to the internet can even interop. I know for a fact that even if the main computer (the one that is connected to the big screen) on a tesla is rebooting or shutting off, you can still operate the car like usual.

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by gitfan86 »

na85 wrote: post #27
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. Geofencing is a big part of the dystopia that the Valley crowd is getting paid a small fortune to shove down our throats.

OJ Simpson, the man that the police forced to stop fleeing under threat of deadly violence?

Are you trying to scare people that their car may be disabled, when those same people already live in a society where police shoot and kill and pit maneuver drivers?

Wouldn't you rather have the car stop safely, instead of being pit maneuvered and flipped into a ditch?

Re: Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll

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Post by throwaway1777 »

na85 wrote: post #27
gitfan86 wrote: post #10

"it's geofenced to certain roads, and only work under 40mph", " you should not use this in the rain" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMNnOosjrBo&ab_channel=Engad...

If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you. Geofencing is a big part of the dystopia that the Valley crowd is getting paid a small fortune to shove down our throats.

The idea that this is the “valley crowd” is laughable. Most of this bs is not built in the valley, and most people in the Bay Area don’t like that kind of dystopia either.
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