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Post by op00to »

evocatus wrote: post #245
dillondoyle wrote: post #146

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It's telling that the comments calling out people complaining about representation are all greyed out. Sorry. HN has been surprisingly me lately in the viewpoints people are willing to say out loud on a public forum. or at least minimally a few vocal commenters. IDK if it's just feeling empowered not to hide anymore or perhaps progress we've made is creating stronger 'protective' reactions. It's scary though.

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I’m frankly surprised that there is no moderation of this bullshit.

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Post by spicymaki »

Spivak wrote: post #156
solarhoma wrote: post #133

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It becomes a problem though when shows are catering to what 1% (or less) of the population looks like or is diagnosed with. This is what people are getting upset with. Representation is fine. But when every new show you turn on has half of the cast as a trans person, a non-binary person, and a whatever else it gets old. It gets old when historical shows and films have distorted facts or figures to, again, fill some q…

So if representation is fine what do you want it to look like? Because by your rules black people aren’t allowed to have fun fantasizing about being a pirate sailing the high seas in colonial England, a trans man can’t be in a WWII fiction fighting nazis, a woman can’t be in a medical drama about stopping the cholera outbreak. So if they can’t be key roles (i.e. important at all to the plot) minorities should be rele…

Funny enough there were black people on pirate ships and black people were around in Victorian England. Black people did serve in WWII as well. White people have a long history of white washing roles for Asian people e.g. in Kung Fu, Dr. Strange, Last Air Bender, etc. And inserting themselves in a ahistorical movies e.g. Last Samurai. Mocking black people in vaudeville minstrel roles (e.g. Mickey Mouse). I am not moved by these sudden appeals for accuracy in fiction.

tldr; I shed crocodile tears when I hear that white people are offended by race switching in modern period films.

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Post by op00to »

switchbak wrote: post #170
dillondoyle wrote: post #146

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It's telling that the comments calling out people complaining about representation are all greyed out. Sorry. HN has been surprisingly me lately in the viewpoints people are willing to say out loud on a public forum. or at least minimally a few vocal commenters. IDK if it's just feeling empowered not to hide anymore or perhaps progress we've made is creating stronger 'protective' reactions. It's scary though.

If it scares you that people are willing to air their discontent about not liking preachy political messages in their entertainment, I'm not sure what to take from that. Personally I think having a diverse set of views in a public forum was the whole point of having public forums.

No, the complaints are about seeing black people and gay people on tv. That somehow makes people sad, maybe because they’re secretly gay?

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Post by HelloMcFly »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #304
boredumb wrote: post #72

A pile of mid tier content that i'd flick through before exiting out after an episode Automatic previews Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on Horrible comedians that were akin to ted talks/lectures or made for people who don't actually enjoy stand up comedy. Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting Signing and hiring ex politicians Searching is a chore and recomme…

Only good (original) thing coming out of NF is the first season of House of Cards and Bojack Horseman. Definitely never been worth a monthly subscription. CMV

I'd add the following to the list myself.

* Russian Doll S01 * Stranger Things S01 * Squid Game S01 * Glow S01-02 * American Vandal S01 * I Think You Should Leave S01 * Mindhunter S01-02

There's also a lot of content aimed at different audiences that is considered good, but not for me (Gilmore Girls reunion show, Shadow and Bone, many romantic-oriented shows, etc.).

I'm not saying that's exclusively the good content, and I have also canceled my sub, but I think you're underselling it a little bit. Bojack is, without question, my favorite thing that's come out of Netflix.

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Post by jtorsella »

odessacubbage wrote: post #250
Spivak wrote: post #156

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So if representation is fine what do you want it to look like? Because by your rules black people aren’t allowed to have fun fantasizing about being a pirate sailing the high seas in colonial England, a trans man can’t be in a WWII fiction fighting nazis, a woman can’t be in a medical drama about stopping the cholera outbreak. So if they can’t be key roles (i.e. important at all to the plot) minorities should be rele…

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Post by jiscariot »

colinmhayes wrote: post #127
boredumb wrote: post #72

A pile of mid tier content that i'd flick through before exiting out after an episode Automatic previews Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on Horrible comedians that were akin to ted talks/lectures or made for people who don't actually enjoy stand up comedy. Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting Signing and hiring ex politicians Searching is a chore and recomme…

> Documentaries that were more ideological than interesting I can not stand how every "documentary" on netflix is actually an extremely opinionated political piece or true crime. And I usually agree with the political opinion, it's just incredibly annoying and divisive, and really it mostly feels dishonest.

Sounds like many of the things Vox produces--ideological content ostensibly labeled as "explainers".

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Post by jiscariot »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #307
_Algernon_ wrote: post #304

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Only good (original) thing coming out of NF is the first season of House of Cards and Bojack Horseman. Definitely never been worth a monthly subscription. CMV

I like Stranger Things and the Chef’s Table series is wonderful. Castlevania is good. I don’t want to defend Netflix though, lots of crap too.

I like it, but Chef's Table uses "that one simple trick" 5x an episode where 18th century orchestral music is overlaid in a montage using all the available camera and editing tricks, showing someone literally is just making a cookie.

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Post by ikr678 »

dazc wrote: post #299
ikr678 wrote: post #184

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Shows produced outside of the US are generally better on the diversity of appearance front. UK content particular is much more watchable for me, as actors are closer to regular people you'd see on the street vs the very thin, athletic, impossibly white toothed American casting ideal.

UK produced shows are going the same way though. Inter-racial families, asian/black detectives and police chiefs, people living in million pound homes despite having average income jobs, etc. Maybe it's me but this doesn't represent regular people I see on the street?

I should clarify, I meant diversity of appearance in all aspects, not just race/orientation.

Casting in non-US tv shows, to my eyes, seems to give a better mix of ordinary looking people (fat, ugly, disabled, scarred, plain, old, teens-actually-cast-as-teens etc). This is just as important for representation, not everyone can be insta-perfect.

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Post by scarface74 »

skeletal88 wrote: post #286
scarface74 wrote: post #121

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> Increasing pop politics seemingly shoe horned into everything I'd turn on People said the same thing in the 60s when Star Trek had the nerve to have a representative crew aboard the Enterprise and when they showed an interracial kiss.

But netflix is making historically white characters black for no good reason. If some ruler in middle age europe was white then why do they have to change that just to showe more black people into the show or whatever. They should make original shows and stories where they can do whatever they want

And if some movie is set in 2000s, why do they have to show Norse Gods, men that turn green when in angry and an alien from Krypton?

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Post by dazc »

op00to wrote: post #320
dazc wrote: post #299

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UK produced shows are going the same way though. Inter-racial families, asian/black detectives and police chiefs, people living in million pound homes despite having average income jobs, etc. Maybe it's me but this doesn't represent regular people I see on the street?

You can tell if someone’s spouse is another race just by looking at a single person on the street? This is amazing, tell me more!

I think you've over reached here. 'regular people I see on the street' is a general term and shouldn't be taken too literally.

Inter-ethnic relationships in England and Wales rose by two percentage points between 2001 and 2011 (7% in 2001 to 9% in 2011).

Ten years later, I expect the figure to be much higher but nowhere near as portrayed on TV. Let's be generous and say the increase has been 50% - and is still a minority.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

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