I think the issue is that the United States has been too cheap and finally that era of abundance at a low cost is coming to an end.
Homes in 97% of U.S. cities are overvalued, Moody's says
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Re: Homes in 97% of U.S. cities are overvalued, Moody's says
#12It doesn't help that corporations buy all these houses up at full price and well above listing just so they can use it as rental income.
Re: Homes in 97% of U.S. cities are overvalued, Moody's says
#13Isn't this one of those "If everyone is crazy, you're crazy" situations? If every house is overvalued by some metric, then maybe the metric is wrong. People's perceptions of value are a large part of the actual value(meaning what someone would really pay) for things like housing that should depreciate over time.
No because houses as an asset class could still be overvalued relative to other assets.
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#14Isn't this one of those "If everyone is crazy, you're crazy" situations? If every house is overvalued by some metric, then maybe the metric is wrong. People's perceptions of value are a large part of the actual value(meaning what someone would really pay) for things like housing that should depreciate over time.
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#15I used to believe such things and then I did a median income vs price per square foot worldwide comparison and it turns out the United States is one of the cheapest, if not the, cheapest place in the world when it comes to the “affordability” (median income vs price per square foot). I think the issue is that the United States has been too cheap and finally that era of abundance at a low cost is coming to an end.
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#16It doesn't help that corporations buy all these houses up at full price and well above listing just so they can use it as rental income.
For example, I pay $24k a year on a house worth around $1.4m. This gives a return of around 1.7%, which is nothing compared to cap notes (5%) or dividends (~4%).
However, someone buying our house would only need to put down 20% up front, and could reasonably expect to see the price raise by 5-10% a year if trends continue. So that $280k deposit could theoretically return $500k+ over the course of 5 years because of the high leverage. The rental return over that period would only be $120k - not even enough to cover the interest repayments on the loan.
Of course, that's assuming trends continue. If prices started falling by 5-10% per year, that $280k deposit would turn into a $500k+ loss and the investors would be absolutely fucked.
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#17I can’t help but think of that saying “the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” Yes, prices in many markets are very high and appreciating at a rapid clip, but if there are buyers, competition, and houses are continuing to move quickly, then it’s a bold statement to say they are overvalued and that we should predict a significant decline.
In situations like this, where demand is for a vital good and supply constrained, the government should be carful about managing the market. From what I can see, US politicians do care about the housing problem but their solutions thus far just exacerbate it by injecting guaranteed loan money and driving up prices.
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#18I used to believe such things and then I did a median income vs price per square foot worldwide comparison and it turns out the United States is one of the cheapest, if not the, cheapest place in the world when it comes to the “affordability” (median income vs price per square foot). I think the issue is that the United States has been too cheap and finally that era of abundance at a low cost is coming to an end.
Such a simple analysis ignores e.g. the higher wages in the US offset by the lack of social nets
Re: Homes in 97% of U.S. cities are overvalued, Moody's says
#19Isn't this one of those "If everyone is crazy, you're crazy" situations? If every house is overvalued by some metric, then maybe the metric is wrong. People's perceptions of value are a large part of the actual value(meaning what someone would really pay) for things like housing that should depreciate over time.
The question is less about today than how risky and how profitable an investment it would likely be relative to other investments.
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#20I used to believe such things and then I did a median income vs price per square foot worldwide comparison and it turns out the United States is one of the cheapest, if not the, cheapest place in the world when it comes to the “affordability” (median income vs price per square foot). I think the issue is that the United States has been too cheap and finally that era of abundance at a low cost is coming to an end.
Such a simple analysis ignores e.g. the higher wages in the US offset by the lack of social nets
Edit: I should say anyone can buy a house for 20% down or less. In much of the world some can do this, but credit is not extended to nearly as many of the population as it is in the US