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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ejanus »

FpUser wrote: post #211
mellavora wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May. But Russia's only export of value is gas. Get China and India to go all-in on renewables, while getting a soft agreement with them that future gas purchases from Russia will cost them in other ways, and the question is who would want to join Russia's parallel system? Didn't say my suggestion is easy or likely or without risk. It would take some really careful diplomacy. but it is feasible.

The US has already shown to China that they can and are willing to inflict pain by way of sanctions. At this point I think countries like China, Brasil, India, Indonesia etc will try their best to make sure that their economies can not be affected too much by US/Europe whims. That ship has sailed I think.

That's my point. Things won't the same again.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by juanani »

throw-ru-938 wrote: post #149
avianlyric wrote: post #126

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I think Russia is the wrong place to look for what European countries will and won’t do. On the whole the EU project, and the approach of tight economic ties across the continent has been a huge success. Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. Before the EU and the drive to economic integration, Europe had been in a state of almost perpetual war between the different states. Even today the econo…

> Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. You forgot the Yugoslav wars in the 1990s.

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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

pjc50 wrote: post #170
RamRodification wrote: post #59

RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

If we take an estimate of 20GW from https://ccaf.io/cbeci/index (huge variance!), and multiply that up, we can estimate that bitcoin is consuming the equivalent of six million liters of diesel every hour. (It's not going to be diesel, it's mostly a mix of coal and natgas depending on where it happens, but that gives you an idea of the size)

Globally, that mix is 36% coal, 23% natural gas, 15% hydro, 10% nuclear, 5% wind, and a smattering of other sources [1].

Also note that bitcoin miners that have a choice of where to locate choose regions where electricity is cheap, such as those serviced by hydro plants..."most" is a slight stretch, "about half" would probably be more correct - but yeah, it's not good.

[1]: https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

fareesh wrote: post #235

Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of event…

Russia and "Putin" does not exist in vacuum -- they need resources to wage the war. Sanctioning taxpayers to Russia takes away resources needed for war effort.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ukd1 »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #132

> If the situation so requires, we would have to replace waste heat mainly with Russian natural gas and light fuel oil. Why wouldn't this just be using the electricity freed up by not powering the data center? Thermodynamically, the data center is just a resistive load, so assuming the electrical distribution system can handle the load, it should be a drop-in replacement.

That also assumes the other (non data center) parts of the system could take that load. I'd guess it's unlikely to have been over-engineered by 40MW. Then they'd also have to have the resistive heaters, which is doubtful as they aren't needed normally.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by account42 »

freeflight wrote: post #214
jeroenhd wrote: post #204

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It should be said that the European Yandex probably uses euros as well, though I'm not sure if their European income is significant. You can visit their tax evasion office over at Schiphol Boulevard 165, 1118 BG Schiphol, The Netherlands, right next to Schiphol Airport. If their European counterpart isn't profitable or their tax evasion setup routes all funds through Russia then they may have trouble paying, but I th…

> I think it's more likely that the political situation of the war itself is to blame. The ban on paying in ruble is also a political decision, pretty much the whole Western response to Russian military action in Ukraine has been solely political to a hypocritical degree. I don't remember the world banning the US dollar as a valid payment option over the invasion of Iraq, even tho that would also have been a very apt…

> I don't remember the world banning the US dollar as a valid payment option over the invasion of Iraq, even tho that would also have been a very apt response to what happened back then [0].

I don't remember the US preemptively threatening to nuke the world should anyone interfere in Iraq.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ithkuil »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #163
ithkuil wrote: post #65

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> Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. They can easily fix that by annexing former SSSR territories (about 230 million)

They don't really want to be re-annexed though. Probably never did in the first place either, but when do you really have a choice?

Even if Russia doesn't actually annex other former SSSR countries, many Russian nationalists still think of them as being an extension of Russia, a part of the empire, and thus in their worldview Russia is clearly more than twice bigger than Germany

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Post by marcinzm »

fareesh wrote: post #235

Yandex is not sanctioned, and should not be - it has nothing to do with the war, and neither do its users. Yandex offers a decent email service for free, and you can use your own domain. I had set up one for a few non-profits who are trying to get up and running. They really have nothing to do with the war, so having an outcome where their day-to-day operations are inconvenienced is a really thoughtless turn of event…

Russia invaded Crimea at a time when most Ukrainians did not support NATO membership so saying this is about NATO is just deflection. The only reasons NATO membership has become such a popular option is because Russia already invaded Ukraine once in the last decade and has supported a second war by proxy in Ukraine for almost a decade.

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Post by fosk »

jollybean wrote: post #258
freeflight wrote: post #225

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> The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere. > Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely not like that, beyond a smaller group, Americans are by default positive and gregarious. Americans killed millions, and displaced tens of millions [0] in a "crusade on terror" the consequences of which lasting to this day, for…

1) This is Russian propaganda - either from someone who doesn't understand the situation (i.e. 'Useful Idiocy' as Stalin himself coined the term) - or - arguing in bad faith. It's ironically a very good example of the cynical, authoritarian, toxic 'bad faith' acting by the Russian government, and people. Foreign Minster Lavarov - literally just yesterday, was lambasting Israel for 'supporting the Nazi regime in Ukrai…

> Russia has no real threat from NATO - there is 0% chance of NATO aggression towards Russia, and they know it.

I actually think that this is wrong. And that is the key to understand Russia’s behavior.

Russia seems to have (legitimate I would say, given the past) fears that it will be attacked eventually like it happened in the past and needs to be - as a result of that - heavily defended.

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