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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by darebak »

throw-ru-938 wrote: post #149
avianlyric wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Russia is the wrong place to look for what European countries will and won’t do. On the whole the EU project, and the approach of tight economic ties across the continent has been a huge success. Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. Before the EU and the drive to economic integration, Europe had been in a state of almost perpetual war between the different states. Even today the econo…

> Until Ukraine there hasn’t been a war in Europe for 75 years. You forgot the Yugoslav wars in the 1990s.

And those countries were very much economically interdependent.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by darebak »

b112 wrote: post #128
skissane wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack I once heard this stressed very strongly, from a historical, cultural, and political perspective. Russia is not European. If one considers the mindset which allowed this war to happen, and the politics, the fascism, this seems quite true.

The largest country in Europe is not European?

The EU doesn't have the monopoly on being European or European values.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

ithkuil wrote: post #65
lnsru wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. Area is huge. As natural resources lying all over the place. They all could live like princes in Dubai, but made a different choice. They have nuclear weapons for sure, but I wouldn’t like to speculate about their maintenance and availability.

> Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. They can easily fix that by annexing former SSSR territories (about 230 million)

They don't really want to be re-annexed though. Probably never did in the first place either, but when do you really have a choice?

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

coffeeblack wrote: post #19
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

How should they have known? Russia attacked both Georgia and Ukraine before, and the West never reacted in any meaningful way.

Slight correction: the Russo-Georgian War began when Georgia tried to recapture South Ossetia, a de facto independent state that is de jure part of Georgia.

During the Soviet era, South Ossetia was an autonomous oblast within the Georgian SSR. After Georgia declared independence from the USSR, South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia. They fought a war that ended in a stalemate, and Russia has essentially guaranteed South Ossetia's independence since.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

dredmorbius wrote: post #110
RamRodification wrote: post #59

RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

Checking that out: You have: 40 MWh You want: tonoil * 3.4393809 / 0.29075 You have: 1 tonoil You want: barreloil * 6.8419323 / 0.14615754 You have: 6.84 barrel You want: liter * 1087.4731 / 0.00091956298 So, roughly 1,100 litres of oil per 40 MWh(thermal). The generator is likely ~30% efficient at converting heat to eletricity, so bump that up to 3,700 litres/hour. Even allowing for other inefficiencies, 12,000 litr…

I think that's wrong. One liter of diesel contains about 10 kWh of energy [1], so you need 4000 liters at 100% efficiency to generate 40 MWh.

12k liters per hour for the datacenter sounds about right, after accounting for diesel engine efficiency.

[1] https://www.sustainabilityexchange.ac.uk/files/cambridge_reg...

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by nicce »

teh_klev wrote: post #141
nicce wrote: post #17

Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html

The article title is misleading, but it does mention in the body of the story that: "The reasons for the disconnection are not clear, as Yandex is not currently on sanctions lists, but its news and blogging services, as well as a senior executive, have been criticized for spreading Russian propaganda"

The first phrase in the article:

> Yandex's data center in Finland has been cut off the electricity grid as a response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

It is still kinda misleading.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by [deleted] »

RamRodification wrote: post #137
dredmorbius wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Checking that out: You have: 40 MWh You want: tonoil * 3.4393809 / 0.29075 You have: 1 tonoil You want: barreloil * 6.8419323 / 0.14615754 You have: 6.84 barrel You want: liter * 1087.4731 / 0.00091956298 So, roughly 1,100 litres of oil per 40 MWh(thermal). The generator is likely ~30% efficient at converting heat to eletricity, so bump that up to 3,700 litres/hour. Even allowing for other inefficiencies, 12,000 litr…

Aren't you missing x3.4393809 on those ~1100 litres?

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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by dredmorbius »

RamRodification wrote: post #137
dredmorbius wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Checking that out: You have: 40 MWh You want: tonoil * 3.4393809 / 0.29075 You have: 1 tonoil You want: barreloil * 6.8419323 / 0.14615754 You have: 6.84 barrel You want: liter * 1087.4731 / 0.00091956298 So, roughly 1,100 litres of oil per 40 MWh(thermal). The generator is likely ~30% efficient at converting heat to eletricity, so bump that up to 3,700 litres/hour. Even allowing for other inefficiencies, 12,000 litr…

Aren't you missing x3.4393809 on those ~1100 litres?

Bingo, that's the error, thanks.

Corrected:

  You have: 40 MWh
  You want: tonoil
          * 3.4393809
          / 0.29075
  You have: 3.439 tonoil
  You want: barreloil
          * 23.529405
          / 0.042500012
  You have: 23.529 barrel
  You want: liter
          * 3740.8121
          / 0.00026732164
  You have: 3740/30%
  You want:
          Definition: 12466.667
Or a bit above 12,000 litres. Article was correct.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by pjc50 »

RamRodification wrote: post #59

RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

If we take an estimate of 20GW from https://ccaf.io/cbeci/index (huge variance!), and multiply that up, we can estimate that bitcoin is consuming the equivalent of six million liters of diesel every hour.

(It's not going to be diesel, it's mostly a mix of coal and natgas depending on where it happens, but that gives you an idea of the size)

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