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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by verytrivial »

shapefrog wrote: post #56
watwut wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European countries were super naive to what Russia is becoming. Or rather more plausibly, willingly not looking there, because money.

Western shills for Russia were super naive to what Russia became, I am old enough to remember March 2022 "You dont understand you are just believing the MSM NATO globalist propaganda; Putin isnt a mad man and there there is no way he will invade the Ukraine, the troops are just doing exercises on the border."

Oh, they knew. They were just being casually traitorous.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by daniel-cussen »

grapeskin wrote: post #38
watwut wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part you find unprecendented?

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

Speaking of North Korea, their sanction-proofing themselves might finally pay off. I bet their heavily sanction-proofed products--not vulnerable to sanctions of their complements, and not dependent on sanctionables for production--are more attractive to the Russian markets now. And the sanctions mean they have less competition.

You know I haven't seen a single DPRK product in my life? Not one. Not even a book. Not even a propaganda poster, not a whole lot of those in the Americas. Yeah online I've seen them but that's not the same thing.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jollybean »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

It's not the sanctions, it's the government influence we should be worried about.

Russia 1 state TV has gone beserk recently, it's as bad as you could possibly imagine.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by watwut »

grapeskin wrote: post #45
watwut wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was war in Ukraine since 2014 - ever since they refused to become another Belarus. I agree that many people underestimated Russian threat, but them expanding is not really unprecedented. I think that one reason why it flopped that quickly is that Russia was creating precedents of what it is going to do around for years. So it became impossible to ignore.

And the ongoing precedent was that Russia could snip off chunks of any country they like and at worst they'd face very limited sanctions. Taking a whole country at once in mainland Europe and having its economy completely isolated within a span of weeks was about as predictable as a magnitude 9.0 earthquake. Nobody was prepared, and no preparation would've been sufficient no matter what.

> Nobody was prepared, and no preparation would've been sufficient no matter what.

This is just not true tho. Had Ukraine was not prepared, they would fold the way Russia expected them to. Instead, Ukraine did quite a lot of army reforms, lobbied to get guns long before war. They did not expected Russians to attack right now, because Russia seemed unprepared ... which they was. But they were not ruling out eventual attempt to takeover.

It is also not true that no-one anticipated. There were people both right before and longer before talking about eventuality - including Biden and American secret services. There were some people who did not cared about topic. There were many people who either knee jerkedly refused the eventuality, without looking at what is going on in Russia. Then there were people who rejected to possibility for political or financial reasons.

But, the notion that no-one was predicting it is simply untrue.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jollybean »

skissane wrote: post #46
fosk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.

Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

I don't think those are it.

1) Massive Natural Resources (carbon fuels) which mean they don't have to do anything productive and can make huge money.

2) Totalitarian with Kleptocracy. The population accepts it over anything else, Putin keeps all competitors at bay. This means a single cabal can make big decisions.

3) Cultural Chauvinism. 30% are 'totally cool' with wiping out their neighbours in the vein of some cooked up rubbish. Even when they know it's 'cooked up'. I think they are definitely product I don't think they see themselves as 'ubermench' I think it's a kind of 'superiority from an inferiority' complex. They also lack empathy compared to most other places, not on an individual level, but on a cultural level. There are no leaders who speak of hope, togetherness, prosperity - those are viewed as 'weak'. (Paradoxically their 'strong' people are just incompetent killers).

So with Money, Control, and Cultural Chauvinism - you have potentiality for big things. Like war.

'Security Council' is not that important.

Nukes are actually not important - but they do provide an 'umbrella' of cover, in that, NATO would already be in Ukraine otherwise. So they can be decisive.

Their 'former empire' is not relevant other than in the jingoistic psyche of Putin and some of the plebes.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jollybean »

grapeskin wrote: post #27
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

Should Google be preparing for sanctions against the US the next time they invade somewhere? Companies usually don't plan for unprecedented actions.

Yes.

China is already putting together a plan for when they are sanctioned by the US and West.

We should be preparing.

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