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Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.
European countries were super naive to what Russia is becoming. Or rather more plausibly, willingly not looking there, because money.
Yep. The liekly difference is that it may work between democratic countries that don't want to wage war between each other, but likely not with militaristic dictatorship, that wants to wage a war (since lowering the standards of living for the subjects is mostly a problem only in democracies, because people elect the leadership).
Relationships go both ways, and so far it looks like neither side has a reason to sever them quickly, despite the war (Russia wants the money, democratic governments want to be elected next time). Severing is very gradual allowing for gradual adjustment on both sides. No huge shock. No huge deterrent.
And I don't get the purpose of the interdependency in case of direct attack either, with the attacker being the supplier. Attacking country cutting you off from significant portion of fossil fuels before the attack, will not make your defense any easier.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.
Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…
Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. Area is huge. As natural resources lying all over the place. They all could live like princes in Dubai, but made a different choice. They have nuclear weapons for sure, but I wouldn’t like to speculate about their maintenance and availability.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I understood, their electricity contract did not expire, or at least that was not explicitly mentioned. The transfer company, which now cut them from the grid, was their electricity seller until the end of 2021, and from the beginning of 2022 they had another seller provide them electricity, but that has ended for reasons unknown. > "Hänen mukaansa aiemmin sähköä myi Yandexille Nivos Energia, mutta sopimus…
You're correct, though I wonder what the reason could be other than expiring. Thinking out loud, maybe they've had trouble paying due to money transfer issues between Finland and Russia. In any case it's not directly due to any sanctions as the company is not sanctioned.
I guess the company was Ilmatar Energy, and they had signed a five-year contract, which started in January.
Some contract violation is required to cancel that.
https://www.saurenergy.com/solar-energy-news/russian-yandex-...
https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/yandex-signs-5-ye...
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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.
European countries were super naive to what Russia is becoming. Or rather more plausibly, willingly not looking there, because money.
Western shills for Russia were super naive to what Russia became, I am old enough to remember March 2022
"You dont understand you are just believing the MSM NATO globalist propaganda; Putin isnt a mad man and there there is no way he will invade the Ukraine, the troops are just doing exercises on the border."
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#57How hot does waste heat from data centers get? Is it up to 100 degrees Fahrenheit? Seems like it would be difficult to efficiently transport that heat into nearby homes.
Stockholm has the "Open District Heating" project doing that: https://www.opendistrictheating.com/
(Disclaimer: I work for a company involved in this)
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#58Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html
Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…
I don't think a contract expiring would lead to power being cut off this suddenly; there will have been extensive negotiations beforehand and a grace period.
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#59RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour
Holy crap
Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination
#60I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.
I don't think you can say that; I mean the US has been aggressive on numerous occasions over the decades, but did that affect their internationally operating businesses? Should it?