From a public health standpoint this is a great dataset. There are papers that show no correlation between lockdowns and covid spread, but this can show if the lockdown orders were actually followed.
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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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> Fauci as the saviour in Stockholme Syndrome... Not a downvoter (to your comment, I rarely vote) but does anybody pro-mask/pro-vaccine/pro-lockdown actually consider him a saviour? All I see (as a non American) is folks on the right hating him being considered a saviour... but I don't find a single post glorifying him even on left-leaning reddit.
>Not a downvoter (to your comment, I rarely vote) but does anybody pro-mask/pro-vaccine/pro-lockdown actually consider him a saviour? Fauci devotional candles are available for sale ( https://www.bing.com/search?q=fauci+devotional+candle >). One might laugh and say that only weirdos might buy them ... But said weirdos include Fauci himself ( https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/twitter-notices-something... >).
Could have been a gift. If I was in the same position, I might buy a few for a laugh at the absurdity.
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Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has, I am not sure I agree with your assessment that it is the least scary people. But I agree that the problem here is not that the CDC is buying it so much that this data is available to be bought.
> Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has Care to elaborate? CDC has historically been an extremely powerful organization devoted to the safety of the US public.
The CDC unilaterally ruled this country for the better part of 2 years. No checks. No balances. Now you could argue that the desperation of the situation calls for something more expedient than Democracy. But many people who supported the moves made by the CDC (including me) were equally horrified that it had as much power to do so.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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> Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has Care to elaborate? CDC has historically been an extremely powerful organization devoted to the safety of the US public.
The event that is being referred to is probably when the CDC decided it had the authority to suspend evictions in the entire United States. It did not, as was decided by the Supreme Court.
So our government worked exactly as designed. Where is the problem?
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The DoJ is not a research institution, and the CDC doesn't only study disease. They study all threats to public health, including smoking, heat waves, and bicycle accidents.
Honestly, this is one of the biggest issues I have with a government bureaucracy like the CDC. The government couldn't be bothered to study AIDS when it emerged in the US and actively denied its existence. But smoking? Do we really need to study it? It isn't even a disease. The states signed the Master Settlement Agreement. I feel like that should be the last time the government ever brings it up or spends another do…
> But smoking? Do we really need to study it? It isn't even a disease.
Addiction is considered a disease by physicians, psychiatrists, and medical researchers[1].
> I feel like that should be the last time the government ever brings it up or spends another dollar worrying about it.
The CDC publishes research on things like:
- second-hand smoke
- preventing your children from starting to smoke
- the costs to society -- not just the smoker
- pros/cons of taxing tobacco in different ways
Because of government-funded research, smoking is banned in a lot of places that I don't have a choice of avoiding, such as airports, government offices, and grocery stores.
The government's research is to protect non-smokers from corporations that are trying to trick them into an addiction and also from smokers who fill shared air with carcinogens.
And that's not even getting into the cost to society of someone dying early. They leave behind medical debts that increase all of our costs, and they potentially leave behind family members who need care.
1. https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/brain-health/science-says-...
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#287This is an excellent use of the data, a proof that it is worthwhile for the data to exist, and a terrifying demonstration that we need to grow the hell up with respect to data privacy. It actually sounds like the anonymization and aggregation was done pretty well for this. There's no such thing as 100% anonymity, but there are useful levels of anonymity. The fact that we don't have a standardized way of blessing data…
I get that CDC is extremely interested in measuring effects of policy and PR. What bothers me is how shady this is. Government shouldn't reach out to gray-area thugs for supply, and they should not try to keep their methods secret. Keep in mind public health authorities are absolutely dependent upon their reputation and track record. Having high trust is critical for ensuring voluntary compliance when shit hits the f…
I totally hear you - this seems SUPER SHADY. But I think the truth is it's really not. These data brokers are totally legit - legally. And also pretty common. Cell companies cell this stuff all the time to just about anybody. They're not loud about it, and people frequently freak out when they realize it. But this stuff happens ALL THE TIME.
I also have heard that this has been a common technique amongst academic epidemiologists during the pandemic. Because it's actually all above board, and super useful.
Still sounds SUPER F*NG CREEPY. But it's commonplace.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has Care to elaborate? CDC has historically been an extremely powerful organization devoted to the safety of the US public.
The event that is being referred to is probably when the CDC decided it had the authority to suspend evictions in the entire United States. It did not, as was decided by the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court is a bunch of partisan hacks. The only thing that ruling proves is that they wanted the eviction memorandum to be over
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fauci as the saviour in Stockholme Syndrome... Not a downvoter (to your comment, I rarely vote) but does anybody pro-mask/pro-vaccine/pro-lockdown actually consider him a saviour? All I see (as a non American) is folks on the right hating him being considered a saviour... but I don't find a single post glorifying him even on left-leaning reddit.
It's just the psychological term used as part of explaining Stockholm Syndrome behaviour. It doesn't mean it's conscious behave or a conscious belief.
It's invented bullshit? Got it.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fauci as the saviour in Stockholme Syndrome... Not a downvoter (to your comment, I rarely vote) but does anybody pro-mask/pro-vaccine/pro-lockdown actually consider him a saviour? All I see (as a non American) is folks on the right hating him being considered a saviour... but I don't find a single post glorifying him even on left-leaning reddit.
>Not a downvoter (to your comment, I rarely vote) but does anybody pro-mask/pro-vaccine/pro-lockdown actually consider him a saviour? Fauci devotional candles are available for sale ( https://www.bing.com/search?q=fauci+devotional+candle >). One might laugh and say that only weirdos might buy them ... But said weirdos include Fauci himself ( https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/twitter-notices-something... >).
If someone made a devotional candle of you, wouldn't you buy one? I absolutely would. Not because I think anyone should be praying to me but because it's f'ing hilarious.