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CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Yeah. I have no problem with researchers getting anonymized data. CDC, snoop all you want. It's the business guys I don't like having it.

Governments have a long and storied record of data abuse, from the Stasi in East Germany to LoveInt at the CIA.

Of course one has to keep government( agencie)s in check, but to compare the CDC to the Stasi.... I don't know if that's really an apt or appropriate comparison

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I have no problem with researchers getting anonymized data. CDC, snoop all you want. It's the business guys I don't like having it.

Governments have a long and storied record of data abuse, from the Stasi in East Germany to LoveInt at the CIA.

Humans have a long and storied record of using tools and information to do malicious things. But we also have a long and storied record of using tools and information to produce the incredible advances of the past few centuries, where the median life expectancy has nearly doubled from the baseline over the past 50k years.

Personally, I would really prefer a system where health information was centralized and easily transferrable to healthcare providers, as I think it would be massively better if we could learn from the bad outcomes of others rather than creating thousands of information silos that have to learn these expensive lessons in parallel, and it would also allow us to know the prices of healthcare services thereby enabling efficient markets to develop.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Time to go back to a non-connected Garmin GPS while in the car and slip my phone into a mesh bag when not in use :( So glad I don't own a newer car with a cellular modem built into it. Hope I can die and be buried with my current "dumb" cards.

You better rip out your TPMS since those can be tracked. Same with anything that has bluetooth since those are widely tracked on highways for monitoring traffic flows. Oh and license plate readers, not sure how you block those. Can you live a cash only life as well since credit cards are obviously tracked. Do you own a home? Is it in your name or did you set up an LLC to purchase it? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just that I've had the same thoughts as you and just realized it's impossible.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I have no problem with researchers getting anonymized data. CDC, snoop all you want. It's the business guys I don't like having it.

Governments have a long and storied record of data abuse, from the Stasi in East Germany to LoveInt at the CIA.

Right, because businesses have never done anything bad with data, it's all those government guys. The government of course being the one tasked with improving the health and welfare of the population, not with turning a profit.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has, I am not sure I agree with your assessment that it is the least scary people. But I agree that the problem here is not that the CDC is buying it so much that this data is available to be bought.

> Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has

Care to elaborate? CDC has historically been an extremely powerful organization devoted to the safety of the US public.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has, I am not sure I agree with your assessment that it is the least scary people. But I agree that the problem here is not that the CDC is buying it so much that this data is available to be bought.

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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I have no problem with researchers getting anonymized data. CDC, snoop all you want. It's the business guys I don't like having it.

Governments have a long and storied record of data abuse, from the Stasi in East Germany to LoveInt at the CIA.

The U.S. Govt used individuals' Census data to round up Japanese-Americans for FDR's World War II internment camps. They also lied about it and claimed that they were only using anonymized data.

https://exhibits.lib.berkeley.edu/spotlight/census/feature/j...

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has, I am not sure I agree with your assessment that it is the least scary people. But I agree that the problem here is not that the CDC is buying it so much that this data is available to be bought.

They don't even have the power to study gun violence.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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post #65
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has, I am not sure I agree with your assessment that it is the least scary people. But I agree that the problem here is not that the CDC is buying it so much that this data is available to be bought.

> Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has Care to elaborate? CDC has historically been an extremely powerful organization devoted to the safety of the US public.

The event that is being referred to is probably when the CDC decided it had the authority to suspend evictions in the entire United States. It did not, as was decided by the Supreme Court.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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I got free academic access to this dataset. The data is anonymized and aggregated to the census block level (500 people). It does not allow for the kind of tracking that the article is fear mongering about.

The average census block has a population of 30 people. Millions of census blocks have a population of zero while millions more have a population of only a couple of people. Surely it must be at the census tract level or higher?

Census block group, not census block
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