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CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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I got free academic access to this dataset. The data is anonymized and aggregated to the census block level (500 people). It does not allow for the kind of tracking that the article is fear mongering about.

The average census block has a population of 30 people. Millions of census blocks have a population of zero while millions more have a population of only a couple of people. Surely it must be at the census tract level or higher?

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Problem is that once they use it for a benign reason, use of the data will expand into other, less palatable uses.

The problem is that this data is available for anyone to purchase. And anyone includes groups that you don't want to have it. Some people focus their attention on limiting the government's ability to collect this information, but just go about ignoring businesses being legally allowed to keep and sell this data. Now the government is leveraging privatized markets for all of their spying needs and it is neatly kept ou…

More than one facet to the problem and potential solutions. How about...

The problem is this data is not owned by the individual.

Which will mean government guidelines and optional private enforcement via lawsuit with meaningful minimum penalties.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

Agreed. The data broker that the CDC got this data from is SafeGraph. What we really should be asking is what "partners" SafeGraph got this data from, and how.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>we could have a zero Covid planet No we couldn't have. It's never been done in history and is probably impossible to do.

OP was being sarcastic.

Will you read his new book?[0]

If anyone were in a position to know whether it’s possible, and how to do it, he’d be on the list.

I think, regardless of his history regarding open source, water under the bridge long ago, he is worth taking seriously if we want to be prepared for the next one, which may come soon.

[0] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/704751/how-to-preve...

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

#36

Location tracking is a huge business and honestly CDC is probably the actor we should be least concerned about in that marketplace. I think the real story is the commodification of our physical presence and the resulting surveillance capitalism models it further enables and normalizes.

It's feasible to be concerned about both corporate and government surveillance at the same time.

Definitely true and I'm of the same mind. Which is why I'm dissuading readers from unnecessary moral outrage over petty, inconsequential matters like this, and encourage everyone to think deeper about technology's role in our lives.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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Headline feels a little misleading, they didn’t track phones per se, they bought data from one of the dozens of cellphone data-brokers that continue to operate despite legislation and congressional action/in-action.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is ethical. The CDC was acting unethically here, though I'm sure they feel everything they do is ethical because they are above question when performing their mission.

Pretty much every cellphone/app user dimension is available for a price on the open market. What you do think Facebook et.al, sells when an app user allows background tracking?

Is it unethical to study behavior of the populous? If anything bringing it into a clinical study probably brought more oversight in terms of ethical handling, and aggregation/anonymization of data than the source would provide.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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See the issue here is that this data exists at all and it’s purchasable by any group. I feel like the CDC are the least scary people buying this data. And from the looks of it they used it for medical research, which if similar in style to other medical research is bound by boards and ethics committees. What we aren’t writing about in this article are the groups using this data Cambridge Analytica style to sway polit…

Yeah. I have no problem with researchers getting anonymized data. CDC, snoop all you want. It's the business guys I don't like having it.

Governments have a long and storied record of data abuse, from the Stasi in East Germany to LoveInt at the CIA.

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is ethical. The CDC was acting unethically here, though I'm sure they feel everything they do is ethical because they are above question when performing their mission.

Pretty much every cellphone/app user dimension is available for a price on the open market. What you do think Facebook et.al, sells when an app user allows background tracking? Is it unethical to study behavior of the populous? If anything bringing it into a clinical study probably brought more oversight in terms of ethical handling, and aggregation/anonymization of data than the source would provide.

Facebook sells targeted advertising, they don't sell the underlying data AFAIK?

Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders

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On the other hand, we could have a zero Covid planet. A place without pandemics. Bill Gates is the hero we need.

There are animal hosts, we can't get rid of it.

Of course we can, the question is, at what cost?
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