People focusing on the leak rather than what was actually leaked is testament to just how effective conservatives are at propaganda and messaging.. We don't know if this is a majority opinion. It may be a minority opinion in the hopes of becoming a majority opinion. It may not even be real (although that seems unlikely). It could've been leaked by someone on the right to drum up on support but my guess is it's more l…
> People focusing on the leak rather than what was actually leaked is testament to just how effective conservatives are at propaganda and messaging.. HN is focusing on the leak, but I do not think the larger point here can possibly be missed. I think the male/female ratio here has something to do with the framing of the issue. Women tonight are not thinking about how the leak affects workplace relations between supre…
How rare is a Supreme Court breach? Very rare
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> It reads like an incredible conspiracy theory that the makeup of the court has been engineered. It's not a conspiracy theory or a theory at all. You just had to listen and watch what they were doing for the past 20 years. It's not a conspiracy to have a long term project that you telegraph to everyone by campaigning on it. That's called a political platform. It's not some shadowy thing they've done in private; they…
>You just had to listen and watch what they were doing for the past 20 years. in all fairness, that is prime conspiracy narrative. "just follow the line of strings and it all makes sense!". The US has been in a swing between the two parties for the past 40 years. to suggest that there's been some kind of plan to fill the courts up an convince the country to overturn a previous ruling would only be possible if you bel…
No I'm not saying follow any strings, I'm saying this is exactly what they said they'd do, and then they did it. How is that a conspiracy? Not every coordinated human movement is a conspiracy. I'm not articulating a conspiracy theory, I'm articulating the Republican Party Platform as expressed by them. Go back and read the platform for any year and it's in there.
I didn't say it was a carefully crafted plan, you're reading that yourself with your assumption that I'm describing a conspiracy. What I'm saying is that when given power, Republicans used it maximally and with purpose to advance the objective of overturning Roe v. Wade. Your observation that parties have swung back and forth does not imply Democrats would have to be in on the plan because Supreme Court appointments are for life, so every time Republicans appoint one Democrats cannot get rid of them.
Republicans did get lucky in 2016 with Trump winning the election, but only because they had previously used their power to unilaterally hold that seat open. And they held that seat open for the express purpose of putting someone on the court who would overturn Roe. And look, that person they put on has voted to overturn. Republicans also got lucky in 2020 when RBG died, but only because they had decided they would abandon their rationale for keeping the previous seat open, and they filled the newly opened seat anyway. That person will be voting to overturn as well. They say that opportunity is luck + being prepared. Yes Republicans got lucky in some ways, but they were prepared at every turn to use all available levers of power to advance this singular objective.
> Occam's razor still supports your point while keeping the story simple
This is an inappropriate usage of Occam's razor, as it requires us to put our heads in the sand about how politics and power work in relation to the supreme court. Saying "there's been decades of swing votes with each party getting a justice in over the decades" implicitly gives weight to the fact that Supreme Court Justices are appointed as part of a political process, driven by political parties, who have stated they intend to use the appointments to further political goals. To that end, conservatives erected an entire vetting system of rating SC nominees on the basis of their friendliness to the anti-choice cause. Only those who were friendly enough have been confirmed.
That the justices then go on to do exactly what they were put there to do is therefore completely unsurprising. But to discount it as mere happenstance and a confluence of factors completely ignores that the process of appointing and confirming them was considered (they didn't just pick the names out of a hat, they picked the names from a list of judges approved by groups who are anti-choice). Arguments were given for appointing these justices, and they always included a recognition that they supported the anti-choice position.
The alternative, that Republicans have been attempting to overturn Roe v. Wade for 50 years, yet when it happens attributing it to happenstance is much more unbelievable to me. It would seem to imply that political parties are completely powerless in advancing their own political goals, and even when they are achieved they can't be attributed to their own deeds. It would mean that Republicans worked feverishly with a singular mind to overturn Roe v. Wade for decades, and ended up doing so on accident. How would the world even work if that were the case?
Re: How rare is a Supreme Court breach? Very rare
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> People focusing on the leak rather than what was actually leaked is testament to just how effective conservatives are at propaganda and messaging.. HN is focusing on the leak, but I do not think the larger point here can possibly be missed. I think the male/female ratio here has something to do with the framing of the issue. Women tonight are not thinking about how the leak affects workplace relations between supre…
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How would it make you feel if your wife, daughter, or mother had to die because the government would not let a doctor perform a life-saving operation on them, on the basis that they had a moral objection to it?
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Excuse me, we're looking at a total abortion ban in half the country soon if this decision is to be the law of the land. This idea that it might be limited to a 3.5 month restriction is an old talking point that has been obviated by the news from the Supreme Court. If what was released last night comes to fruition, abortion bans predating Roe and trigger laws passed in the interim will bring full abortion bans into e…
Re: How rare is a Supreme Court breach? Very rare
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> And do you thinkt he cons on the SCOTUS are satisfied with this? They’ll be glad to ban abortion nationwide completely. They’re not gonna leave it to the states. On what basis? Do you think they’ll make up a right to override state abortion laws the way Roe did?
What would stop a future Republican Congress / White House from banning it at the Federal level, and SCOTUS from upholding that?
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Like Roe, Obergefell would be another decision where if the Supreme Court overruled, it would simply make the law the same as Europe: https://eclj.org/marriage/the-echr-unanimously-confirms-the-... Likewise in affirmative action. You just listed three things where the supposedly arch conservative Supreme Court is simply making our law the same as France.
The difference is that the US is a country and Europe is not. Generally speaking it might limit your liberties if one state did not recognize your spouse and another did.
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What would stop a future Republican Congress / White House from banning it at the Federal level, and SCOTUS from upholding that?
What will stop a future Democratic Congress from enshrining it at the Federal level and SCOTUS upholding that?
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If you’re attached by an umbilical cord and that dependent on the womb’s environment, you are in no way individual. If I hadn’t made it out alive, I wouldn’t care about a thing, same as I won’t care 70 years or so from now. Would have been fine with not experiencing the life I’ve had.
> If you’re attached by an umbilical cord and that dependent on the womb’s environment, you are in no way individual A newborn is completely dependent and isn’t meaningfully any more of an individual. Also can be killed at will?
Re: How rare is a Supreme Court breach? Very rare
#269What if this is a Russian leak? Hear me out before you shred... A big part of Russia's game has been to try to divide the US politically. Well, this is probably the single biggest hand grenade they could have thrown into the middle of our society. And it's at a time when they'd really love to distract us from what they're doing in Ukraine. So they have motive. It fits their MO. Do they have the means to breach the Su…
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There is precedent for overturning precedent. Stare decisis is not supposed to mean that a decision is set in stone for eternity.
Certainly, but one of the deciding votes here won their seat very recently claiming precedent in this specific case made it settled law. That appears to have been a lie.