As has been said several times: you can't prevent abortions from happening by outlawing them, you only make those that occur less safe
This is the same argument used against gun control.
Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
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#152Can someone explain in non-legal way why the court believes an individual has right to decide whether they can wear a mask or not but not whether they can have a medical procedure or not? What's the main difference between these two?
Because science says the fetus is a developing human being and abortion destroys (or in the words of pro-life people "kills") it, while a mask is a piece of cloth worn on the face.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
"My body my choice" always was a bad justification because you obviously have to look at the interest of the child too if you count it as human life as many do. If you ask around you don't find too many people that wish they were aborted. The same logic can apply to wearing masks because it can affect other people aside yourself. But many argue here that the responsibility to protect yourself with masks is on those t…
> If you ask around you don't find too many people that wish they were aborted but if you asked them when the abortion was possible they wouldn't even understand the question, while people understand what wearing or not wearing a mask means, usually! The baby is not a citizen, meaning they haven't the same rights of adult people because they also have much less responsibilities, given their status. It's completely ob…
>The baby is not a citizen, meaning they haven't the same rights of adult people because they also have much less responsibilities, given their status.
US law protects the lives of non-citizens as well, not sure how that is relevant. And their argument would be what is the difference between a 38 week old fetus and 2 day old baby? What magical occurrence happens in the birth canal that transforms it from non-human to human? Obviously, science is on their side. So then the courts have to decide where do you draw the line? 8 weeks? 38 weeks? That isn't covered by the Constitution, so leaving it up to the states (or Congress) is the correct decision.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that is true. Which states?
You can go looking at all the laws states have tried to pass over the years that didn't protect the life of the mother or would have forced her to give birth to her rapist's child. You can also look at all the laws which would have made doctors risk their freedom and security for performing a medical procedure that they felt was needed. You could do that, but I recommend saving some time and just looking at the state…
You didn't answer the question that was posed to you in regards to your original statement.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
"My body my choice" always was a bad justification because you obviously have to look at the interest of the child too if you count it as human life as many do. If you ask around you don't find too many people that wish they were aborted. The same logic can apply to wearing masks because it can affect other people aside yourself. But many argue here that the responsibility to protect yourself with masks is on those t…
> If you ask around you don't find too many people that wish they were aborted but if you asked them when the abortion was possible they wouldn't even understand the question, while people understand what wearing or not wearing a mask means, usually! The baby is not a citizen, meaning they haven't the same rights of adult people because they also have much less responsibilities, given their status. It's completely ob…
I may agree but some others have the opinion that even a fetus already has rights. It is an ideological position but so is the sanctity of human life in general.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is refreshing as most people screaming my body my choice were some of the first demanding forced vaccinations.
> That is refreshing as most people screaming my body my choice were some of the first demanding forced vaccinations. because the two issues are not even remotely linked. You get vaccinated for the community, it's a "bigger than you" problem, it's for "the greater good". Women that want to get an abortion most of the time didn't want the baby they are carrying, they were forced to. So it's reversed: if someone forced…
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have strong opinions about roe or gay marriage. I do have strong opinions against kritarchy. Right or wrong, I don't like the idea of the Yale law school sharia council overriding the will of the electorate. It may have worked for you in recent history, but as they say, " past performance is not indicative of future results ."
voters are in favour of both --- While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years. Currently, 59% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 39% say it should be illegal in all or most cases. --- U.S. support for legal same-sex marriage continues to trend upward, now at 70% -- a new high in Gallup's trend si…
Maybe, but that could change. Most people don't have strongly-held opinions on these things. The political decisions which allowed these precede the popular support.
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#158If SCOTUS indeed overturns Roe v. Wade, it would be a great day for human dignity and sanctity of innocent lives in the US.
what about the dignity of the innocent victims of US bombs?
What makes you think that I (or generally people who are against late-stage abortion) support that?
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't have a right that is also a service. Services are based on voluntary exchange.
You can have a right to service. Even if it's just being able to sit a lunch counter, or attend a school. You can also have a right to seek or provide medical care. Those rights are about to be taken from many of us.
This gets really messy if the service is simply unavailable for whatever reason. If it's your right then should the government get involved in coercion? Mandates? If it's unaffordable, price controls?
Calling a service a right is fraught with moral hazards.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't most people hold that "two wrongs don't make a right"? In Hindu view abortion no matter the reason, except to save the mother's life, incurs strong negative karma.
Everyone agrees that rape is wrong, whereas ~80% of the US believes that abortion is okay under some circumstances (~30% under ANY circumstance). The reality is that this won't stop abortion, just safe abortions, so now we are going to have rape victims attempting to end their daily reminder of their rape, end up with a crooked back-alley doc butchering them. Many would consider that a wrong as well.
Any abortion is not particularly safe. The mental scars alone and guilt should give more pause to be cautious with this procedure.