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Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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it can be argued that they actually are. if that farmland could be used to make human food, which is a lot more remunerative, they already would.

Cows are human food.

they are in fact the preferred way to use that land, because they are more remunerative than planting crops.

makes sense.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#532

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Then factor in all the havoc caused by ethanol in gas ruining seals, not working well in small engines, etc. and it’s just totally non-sensical that this fraud has been allowed to happen.

I've heard of the seal issue but never seen any numbers on how widespread the damage is. Got any numbers?

All I have are my experiences of every small engine I own that worked fine for a decade or more gradually going to crap in the past few years and I need to take four different ones to the small engine repair guy right now. :)

I’ve just been phasing out every gas engine I own for battery powered. I’m done with gasoline as much as possible. A lifetime of begging this horrible Frankenstein machine we call the internal combustion engine to work is enough for me.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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Two counter points. - Where I live (The Netherlands) you don’t have to live in a city to have good PT. There are places that you cannot reach by train or bus but they are few. - While sometimes a car is necessary, the cars many people prefer (insanely oversized “trucks”) are hardly ever necessary.

> (insanely oversized “trucks”) are hardly ever necessary. As someone with a truck constantly having to lend it for friends to use, I disagree. Not sure exactly what you meant by insanely oversized, but a lift kit and tires aren't abnormal, they have use for off-roading / mudding which is fairly popular. It's both a style preference and lifestyle preference. Good luck using a car if you have a lot of outdoor hobbies…

What I mean is this:

https://i.imgur.com/7huPvde.jpg

What does the insanely large truck have that enables you to off road and explore your hobbies, that the smaller one does not?

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#534
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Isn't the fact that your friends don't need a truck because they can borrow one occasionally evidence against your point? I mean, yes, it's true that it would be nicer if they'd rent one instead of impose on you. But clearly they don't "need" trucks of their own, because they have access to shared resources. This is the kind of absolutist argument that these threads always fall into. You hear someone say "not everyon…

It seems like a needlessly divisive conversation, every time it comes up. My guess is that 99% of all the people who complain that they see people driving pickups not hauling anything are themselves usually driving a 5 passenger car as the sole occupant.

What do you think burns more fuel per passenger? A family driving the US's most popular truck vs. me alone driving in my Honda Jazz/Fitt?

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/honda-jazz-fit-2007...

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#535

I'm always bothered by stories like these that seem to do a reasonable job of listing causes of self-inflicted problems, and then try to act like it was some sort of inevitable act of God, or natural law of the universe or something. According to TFA the causes are: 1. Back-to-back storms in the USA causing production shutdowns. OK, that one is genuinely just random natural variance. 2. Natural gas price explosion. T…

These are good points, I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. That said, I think it still makes sense for western countries to sanction Russia. Yes, sanctions are wasteful of resources, which could lead to food shortages and people dying, but that's kind of the problem with war: It kills people and wastes resources. Even without sanctions, there would be many Ukrainians (and Russians) killed, and Ukraine would not…

I think that's fair enough.

The issue with sanctions and poorer countries is that commodities are liquid markets. If rich countries raise prices internally by sanctioning some sources then the higher prices draw supplies away from poorer countries. Or put another way, if you reduce supply whilst keeping demand constant then prices rise, and they rise everywhere. That's what China seems to be trying to wall itself off from, which it can probably do, but it can cause a domino effect where everyone feels they have to go protectionist.

So it boils down to whether you think the concrete pain inflicted on the poor today is worth it to avoid hypothetical pain inflicted on them by a future conflict.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#536
post #107

Food security always makes me think about food waste. When I was 17 years old I went to Sweden as part of a cultural exchange program (I'm from South America). One of the first things that shocked me was the sheer amount of food being wasted for no reason whatsoever. In my country, even though I come from a privileged family, you can't shield yourself away from poverty. Throughout my entire life living with my parent…

As an African I laughed at this. Swiss kids not clearing their plates is not why people starve in my country. We produce enough food to feed ourselves but

1) poverty means people can't afford food

2) you're not reaching a great many villages by anything bigger than a land cruiser.

Distribution has always been the cause of global hunger issues, at least for the past few decades.

Food security is a wholly separate issue.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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post #486

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We don't need meat. And there are many price and institutional barriers to completely grass fed cattle. The primary being that slaughter is centralized to FSIS inspected facilities where most non-poultry spend their final weeks packed in eating soy and corn.

> We don't need meat. We do if we want human beings at their optimal physical and mental capacity. It isn't much of a secret that increased consumption of meat led to human beings reaching their optimal physical and mental potential. Now, excess meat consumption is a problem, but you aren't going to have optimal human beings without some meat. Japan used to be a vegetarian society for more than a millenia. Their poor…

Pure Meiji anti-Buddhist propaganda. Read up.

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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Yea the way we do mass farming now is MASSively flawed. It produces huge yields but has tons of fragility - monoculture crops being a huge flaw as well. The one that fascinates me the most is the way the Mayans did it - Chinampas. That and aquaculture growing lots of smaller fish seems like a create combo if we could get small backyard pond/farms going

I agree, but I think it's hard for us non-farmers to grasp the scale of industrial agriculture. I would love it we switched over to another way of doing things, but with 8 billion people, there is no feasible way back to an earlier, organic way of life. How are we going to feed another 2 billion people let alone those that we have without fossil fuel inputs? Maybe biotech will save us, but I am skeptical.

Stop eating cows & dairy. Immediately you've reduced the scale by 75%. If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares [https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets].

Stop employing people in bullshit jobs. Immediately you've got 75% workforce on basic income, and I think some of them would like to work on small scale local farms. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_agriculture] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income]

We already grow food for 10 milliard (thousand millions for our obscurant us friends) people. Problem is poverty and inequality, not scarcity. [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/world-hunger_b_1463429]

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

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I don't like American suburbs for me personally, but the US has tons of space and I don't understand how traffic would be better if we pushed more people into less space (with fewer streets and so on). Indeed, most big cities are famous for their congestion. With respect to prices, these are self-regulating. If prices go up, things either get denser and/or people move elsewhere. > Culture takes a dive. Again, suburbs…

> Again, suburbs aren't my thing, but it seems really offensive/chauvinistic to imply that suburban culture is lesser than urban culture. I'm sure I'm misunderstanding, and in the spirit of charity I want to give you the opportunity to set the record straight. No, I meant that culture takes a dive from small-town culture , where you know your neighbors and shop owners.

Thanks for clarifying!

Re: Historic fertilizer crunch threatens food security

#540

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The corn in corn chips has undergone nixtamalization, which makes more of the nutrients available to humans. As others have commented, no. 2 yellow field corn can be ground into cornmeal, and even without nixtamalization, it is certainly digestible by humans, it's just that nixtamalization makes important nutrients like niacin available.

Sorry, it has not.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_chip

Thanks for the clarification. FWIW I was interpreting "corn chip" to mean a tortilla chip, but yep, you're right.
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