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The Agony of Eros: Dating

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Re: The Agony of Eros: Dating

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The criminals which had widespread support across Berlin and Germany. It was also only a couple generations ago. I’m also of Jewish heritage and multiple members of my extended family were wiped out. Like I said, Germans and Berliners particularly seem very tolerant of all sorts of extremist ideas. I count “open relationships” as one of them. It’s like who cares about why things are traditionally the way they are, le…

Well, as far as "old" goes there is very hard evidence that monogamy is rather the "new" idea. Not the other way around.

In the distant past, most likely societally important or powerful men had multiple wives. This is different than open relationships.

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Eros did not just represent lust but also love. Agape is a context more limited to christianity, which kind of has anti-sexual overtone. But there were many Erotes representing all kinds of desire and attraction > Anteros ("Love Returned"),[1] Hedylogos ("Sweet-talk"), Hermaphroditus ("Hermaphrodite" or "Effeminate"), Himeros ("Impetuous Love" or "Pressing Desire"), Hymenaios ("Bridal-Hymn"), and Pothos ("Desire, Lon…

Really there is Greek specific to Christian use? That's interesting. I'll have to look into that. It makes sense that different groups used different worlds. There are English terms like sanctification that you don't hear outside Christian circles.

The basic rule is that if the subject of debate is in the Old Testament you look at the Hebrew, and in the New Testament you look at the Greek.

I was fortunate to have a teacher in High School who explained this to the class. He was my Physics teacher.

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By capable I mean able to execute. Most men struggle to find a single partner to be monogamous with, let alone multiple partners.

Why would that be the goal? Men who have a partner still have the option to pursue sex outside of a relationship. Many simply pay for that type of sexual relationship with no "struggles" you speak of.

Define "many". I highly doubt that a majority of men have ever paid for sex, let alone having paid for sex while they're in a relationship.

Also, part of the allure of promiscuity is being able to attract/seduce multiple women. Paying for sex eliminates that.

Re: The Agony of Eros: Dating

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Murder violates the rights of another human being. Whose rights are violated by two consenting adults making out in a club?

A right is just another cultural concept.

Your use of language is a cultural concept, too - let's not ignore how your dismissal here is about as valid as if you chose to not use words to express this concept. Having rights is a matter of personal agency, regardless of society's "collective" agency. It is a distinction between cultural and personal control over the individual. You might consider either trying to stop using words altogether, or else maybe recognize that an individual's agency, their "rights", are indeed relevant to the conversation about culture.

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Tbh ghosting isn't as bad as saying one thing and then making excuses to not go through it. I've been on dates where I thought it went well, I got the "let's do this again", and then whenever I suggested "let's do it again on X day?" I get excuses. If they don't want to that's fine, they don't even have to say no just don't reply! But the leading on is annoying...

That might also be a communication mismatch. I've seen this situation a few times: Woman says "let's do this [going shopping as friends] again" and then later they are surprised when the Man suggests "let's do this [going on a date as potential partners] again". The [] part is implied and never said, which is why the miscommunication happens.

It's pretty clear to see that such miscommunication rises from a person's responsibility to be honest. "Let's do this again!" implies intent. If that intent does not actually exist, focus should be on such a lie and, by extension, the liar. While such (mis)communication becomes cultural, that still doesn't make it effective. Defending it is about wise as justifying the previously predominant signalling of women playing "hard to get" with someone they actually wanted to "get" them, and saying "no" while meaning "yes", yet being surprised at the subsequent rise in rape culture.

Re: The Agony of Eros: Dating

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Tbh ghosting isn't as bad as saying one thing and then making excuses to not go through it. I've been on dates where I thought it went well, I got the "let's do this again", and then whenever I suggested "let's do it again on X day?" I get excuses. If they don't want to that's fine, they don't even have to say no just don't reply! But the leading on is annoying...

I think you might be interpreting this wrong. The "let's do this again" after the date is meaningless, that's just a social nicety no matter how the date went. When you ask them out and they give an excuse and no alternative I would interpret that as she didn't think the date went that well. Which leaves you with a couple of options: If you also were ambivalent about the date you now have the option of just fading ou…

Wouldn't it be preferable for the meaning of words to be reflected in the chosen combination of the words, themselves, instead of the (sub)culturally current, elusive content of the dog whistle tone behind them? Anything else reeks of an Orwellian dystopia to me.

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This article speaks a lot from a position of privilege and mostly from a straight woman’s view. The aspect of dating a lot in their 20’s is something most relegated to the most attractive men and most women these days. If you want to have stable relationships - you need to commit to people who are actually interested in you. The reason many women have these bad experiences with men is because they’re all dating the s…

Makes me remember of this controversial article: https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-women-lose-the-dating-g...

Related: https://quillette.com/2021/06/28/mate-selection-for-modernit...

https://ifstudies.org/blog/whither-hypergamy

Re: The Agony of Eros: Dating

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This article speaks a lot from a position of privilege and mostly from a straight woman’s view. The aspect of dating a lot in their 20’s is something most relegated to the most attractive men and most women these days. If you want to have stable relationships - you need to commit to people who are actually interested in you. The reason many women have these bad experiences with men is because they’re all dating the s…

Makes me remember of this controversial article: https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-women-lose-the-dating-g...

Its submission from many years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6611747

Re: The Agony of Eros: Dating

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I find the discussion of ghosting interesting. If I've gone on a bad date or two I don't specifically tell the other person I don't want to see them again unless they ask me. This allows for a lot more saving face if I run into them in the future (we can both pretend it just fell through the cracks) and is exactly how I want to be treated. While I appreciate the honesty I do find it a little condescending when someon…

What you're doing doesn't sound like ghosting. Ghosting is cutting off contact without warning or regard for the psychological consequences. It's very easy to not be a ghost, all you have to do is provide a kind resolution. If someone asks you out on another date but you don't want to see them again, you just say something like "I'm sorry, I've gotten really busy lately, if I do have the chance to get together, I'll…

I agree that ghosting should be defined as actively not responding to someone who is trying to get in touch with you. But I would suggest that if someone is forcing the issue and asking to meet again, it’s better to respond with a polite version of “sorry, I am not romantically interested in you” than it is to say “maybe sometime”.

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> These men sustain Tinder economy, for example, as all the algorithms are made just to milk men money just to land some opportunity of attractions. This goes even lower and darker. As a man pays for gold, platinium and gains infinite swipes, one discovers it's mostly profiles of scams, outright asking for money, proposals of findom, some women or fake profiles toying with you purely for their entertainment. A man do…

>A man doesn't even get sex for the money. What makes you think paying for Tinder gold entitles you to sex?

Why otherwise would I insert coins into this bloody app? What makes women think that a mere using of dating app entitles them to find a partner for "serious relationship"? Paying for it makes me slightly frustrated or even entitled, yes.
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